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I was creating a reply to another post when I came across this stat gem. Thought it was worth it's own thread. 

Here is the running total of the stats produced by just our Wide Receivers: (R Louis, R Higgins, K Britt, K Williams, B Treggs, C Coleman, J Leslie, S Coates) I did not include any RBs or TEs. 

Total stats for all Browns wide receivers through the first 8 games. 

Recs - 71 Yards - 845 TDs - 2.

(At first there was lulzs then there was much sadness... followed by lulzs. Lastly another bout of sadness.) 

In Comparison:

Antonio Brown. Just him... no one else. 

Recs - 57 Yards - 835 TDs - 3

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Welcome back Josh Gordon anyone?

That is all

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part of that, a HUGE part of that actually, is on our QB play, not on the WRs themselves.  They are obviously not world beaters, but I like our guys for roles on the team.  No team trots out 6 Julio Jones type WRs.  We need just one of those, along with good QB play, and our WR group will be right there in the top 10 in the league.  We will see where Gordon is at, he has his chance.  We also have Coleman coming back.  Unfortunately, no matter how good they are, they still can't fix the QB play by themselves (although Gordon pretty much did in 2013 even with atrocious QBs.

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Hands down the worst group in the NFL and I don't think anyone is surprised. We are playing without a #1 and #2. I would say it is even 50/50 on a #3 on half the teams in the NFL Louis would be a #3 and on half the teams he would be a #4. I think once we get Corey Coleman back and find another WR than doesn't flop like Kenny Britt did then all the WRs from #3-6 would suddenly look much much better in their role on the team.

1. Obviously we get Corey Coleman back now he just has to stay healthy.

2. Throw a bunch of money at DeVante Adams

3. Draft Parris Campbell or Michael Gallup

4. Pray Josh Gordon has actually changed.

 

1. Corey Coleman

2. DeVante Adams

3. Parris Campbell

4. Josh Gordon

5. Ricardo Louis

6. Kasen Williams

Suddenly the WR depth looks really good

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Its not the WRs. Its the Browns QB not being able to consistently deliver them balls on target to show what they can do. A WR only looks as good as his QB. 

For example, look at Demaryius Thomas/Emmanuel Sanders with and without a good QB getting them the ball. When they had Peyton, they both were top 15 WRs. With Siemian, they both dont even look like top 20 WRs. Also, see Deandre Hopkins with and without Deshaun Watson. With a good QB Hopkins looks and plays like a top 5 WR in the NFL. With Brock Osweiler he didnt even look like a top 25 WR last year.

The list goes on with guys like Donte Moncreif/TY Hilton with and without Andrew Luck and Antonio Brown with Landry instead of Big Ben. This also works in the opposite direction when we saw Taylor Gabriel suck with Cleveland and look fantastic with Matt Ryan throwing him the ball.

I 100% believe with a top 15-20 QB, these Browns WRs like Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins and David Njoku would all look completely different than they do now.

There has been 8-10 times this year Njoku has either been overthrown wide open running down the seam and Kizer has missed him every time. With a good QB, Njoku would have over 400 yards and 5 TDs right now.

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Lmao you might be blind

Either that or not watching the same games we are 

everyone in the world knows we have the worst WR core in the league at least while Coleman has been out 

I’m pretty sure we lead the league in drops and offense pass interference calls ???

Cmon man 

Coleman and Gordon would change this entire offense 

I hope you do realize we got Treggs off a freaking practice squad and the same week he starts for us 

I’ve never even heard of that being possible before 

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33 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

Its not the WRs. Its the Browns QB not being able to consistently deliver them balls on target to show what they can do. A WR only looks as good as his QB. 

For example, look at Demaryius Thomas/Emmanuel Sanders with and without a good QB getting them the ball. When they had Peyton, they both were top 15 WRs. With Siemian, they both dont even look like top 20 WRs. Also, see Deandre Hopkins with and without Deshaun Watson. With a good QB Hopkins looks and plays like a top 5 WR in the NFL. With Brock Osweiler he didnt even look like a top 25 WR last year.

The list goes on with guys like Donte Moncreif/TY Hilton with and without Andrew Luck and Antonio Brown with Landry instead of Big Ben. This also works in the opposite direction when we saw Taylor Gabriel suck with Cleveland and look fantastic with Matt Ryan throwing him the ball.

I 100% believe with a top 15-20 QB, these Browns WRs like Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins and David Njoku would all look completely different than they do now.

There has been 8-10 times this year Njoku has either been overthrown wide open running down the seam and Kizer has missed him every time. With a good QB, Njoku would have over 400 yards and 5 TDs right now.

Agree.

Several weeks ago I read an article that basically said that a bad QB doesn't win with good receivers and that a good QB makes bad receivers better and wins.

 

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2 hours ago, bruceb said:

Agree.

Several weeks ago I read an article that basically said that a bad QB doesn't win with good receivers and that a good QB makes bad receivers better and wins.

 

Its the truest thing in the world. Which is why I would like to keep our WRs of Coleman/Higgins. Louis IDK about because he just flat out drops the ball 1/2 the time even when it is on target but I do think the other two will look like a very legit set of WRs if lets say a guy like Cousins or Alex Smith get brought in here.

Coleman has flashed big play ability and has had some spectacular sideline layout catches despite having a horrible QB---which makes me believe he could become a similar level WR as a TY Hilton given good QB play.

I would love to get Sutton or Ridley in the draft as a big body WR opposite him and have Higgins work the slot.

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Pretty obvious here who actually understands the game, and who does not.  We do not need a complete overhaul of our WR group.  If Coleman can stay healthy, we need a do it all type of #1 and that is it.  If Gordon can come close to 2013 form and stays with us along with Coleman being back, we have one of the better WR units in the league.  The key is the QB.  I am sorry, but Kizer sucks, he should have never seen the field at all this year as a project.  He has, and he is pretty much ruined now.  I don't think he can be fixed, and then developed.  Had we not played him, he would have only needed development.

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9 hours ago, bruceb said:

Agree.

Several weeks ago I read an article that basically said that a bad QB doesn't win with good receivers and that a good QB makes bad receivers better and wins.

 

I get the gist of what you're saying, but the receivers have to at least be competent.  Britt and Louis drop every other pass.

Britt signed for a paycheck, nothing more IMO.

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13 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

I get the gist of what you're saying, but the receivers have to at least be competent.  Britt and Louis drop every other pass.

Britt signed for a paycheck, nothing more IMO.

Britt is likely gone after the season.  Louis has has some drops, but not that many this year.  You know who else had drops as a wr?  TO.  He had tons of drops and some think he turned out to be pretty good.  Louis has a spot here.  As does Higgins and Williams.  Treggs also has a spot as a 6th WR.  I repeat, no team had a wr Corp full of guys like Calvin Johnson, A.J. Green, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald, and Julio Jones.  It seems that is what seem to think it will take for us.  It’s not.  We need a QB, period.  We need a true #1 wr (fingers crossed for Gordon), and we need Coleman to stay healthy.  That’s it.  The other pieces are in place.

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I would love to get a guy like Paris Campbell, but I wouldn't use no more than a 3rd and I wouldn't feel good about that, he is so raw, he probably wouldn't contribute for a least a year or two. But then again, he probably will run 4.35 - 4.38, and his lower body explosion number will be off the charts and he probably will be over drafted.

 

Also, we need more sure-handed, reliable guys. Joe Jurevicius, Brian Brennan types. We don't always have to have a physical freak or blazer

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Guys I like in the DRAFT:

*James Washington: OK State. He's my favorite WR of the draft. 

*Calvin Ridley: Most polished WR of the bunch. Great blocker, route runner, etc. He is 24 and has past injury concerns or he'd be higher.

*Courtland Sutton: SMU: He intrigues me

Dante Pettis: Washington. Consistent, good route runner

Guys with good size (6-4 or taller) at the WR position that could create mismatches/red zone threats:

Cobbs, Indiana and Ateman, OK State, Auden Tate, FSU

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What in the hell are you 3 talking about??

 

15 hours ago, AkronsWitness said:

Its not the WRs. Its the Browns QB not being able to consistently deliver them balls on target to show what they can do. A WR only looks as good as his QB. 

For example, look at Demaryius Thomas/Emmanuel Sanders with and without a good QB getting them the ball. When they had Peyton, they both were top 15 WRs. With Siemian, they both dont even look like top 20 WRs. Also, see Deandre Hopkins with and without Deshaun Watson. With a good QB Hopkins looks and plays like a top 5 WR in the NFL. With Brock Osweiler he didnt even look like a top 25 WR last year.

The list goes on with guys like Donte Moncreif/TY Hilton with and without Andrew Luck and Antonio Brown with Landry instead of Big Ben. This also works in the opposite direction when we saw Taylor Gabriel suck with Cleveland and look fantastic with Matt Ryan throwing him the ball.

I 100% believe with a top 15-20 QB, these Browns WRs like Corey Coleman, Rashard Higgins and David Njoku would all look completely different than they do now.

There has been 8-10 times this year Njoku has either been overthrown wide open running down the seam and Kizer has missed him every time. With a good QB, Njoku would have over 400 yards and 5 TDs right now.

It's not the WRs?? What are you talking about?

1. Ricardo Louis 4th round pick...huge drops and is garbage at catching the ball

 2. Kenny Britt, no quickness and no speed left and can't catch a cold,

3. Bryce Treggs, UFA, didn't know how to run routes coming out of college and has a limited skill set, inconsistent hands

4. Rashard Higgins, 5th round pick can't get separation, not quick, not fast, has to be schemed open,inconsistent catcher,

5. Kasen Williams, UFA jump ball specialist that can't get separation (probably our 2nd best WR but doesn't play

6. Corey Coleman, 1st round impact talent can't stay healthy not reliable

7. Josh Gordon, can't stay on the field not reliable

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That's the definition of WR group that needs an overhaul

14 hours ago, bruceb said:

Agree.

Several weeks ago I read an article that basically said that a bad QB doesn't win with good receivers and that a good QB makes bad receivers better and wins.

 

No.

When the ball is thrown to them...they can't catch it...when they need to separate from a DB they can't do it...

 

10 hours ago, DizzyDean said:

Pretty obvious here who actually understands the game, and who does not.  We do not need a complete overhaul of our WR group.  If Coleman can stay healthy, we need a do it all type of #1 and that is it.  If Gordon can come close to 2013 form and stays with us along with Coleman being back, we have one of the better WR units in the league.  The key is the QB.  I am sorry, but Kizer sucks, he should have never seen the field at all this year as a project.  He has, and he is pretty much ruined now.  I don't think he can be fixed, and then developed.  Had we not played him, he would have only needed development.

Pretty obvious you're in the group that doesn't understand football or the game if you do not think this WR gorup needs a complete overhaul.

When you start with IF this or IF that with CoreyColeman and Josh Gordon...that means you need to draft or sign reliable players impact players and overhaul the room b/c the elite talent in the room has proven that they can't stay on the field.

"We have one of the better WR units in the league"

Lol...Get the hell out of here with that nonsense....our number 3,4,5,6 WRs don't even make the 53 on another teams roster and they can't catch.

The 1 and 2 receivers you speak of one has a daily addiction battle and hasn't seen the field since 2014 and the other can't stay healthy and has only had 1 impact game in their career.

We need a complete overhaul of the WRs and we need to build that group as if Gordon and Coleman are not going to be available or reliable....

 

 

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