VigilantZombie Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 minute ago, J-ALL-DAY said: He's definitely starting, that's not a question. I highly disagree there has been reports that he isn't ready. If they, keep Jimmy G I can definitely see Lance not starting. There's no market to trade Jimmy G right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 6 minutes ago, wwhickok said: I highly disagree there has been reports that he isn't ready. If they, keep Jimmy G I can definitely see Lance not starting. There's no market to trade Jimmy G right now. What reports? They will not be keeping Jimmy G, doesn't make any sense to do so. They will wait until he is healthy to trade him or worst case, they will cut him. If they cut him after he gets healthy, they clear the full 25M off their books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: What reports? They will not be keeping Jimmy G, doesn't make any sense to do so. They will wait until he is healthy to trade him or worst case, they will cut him. If they cut him after he gets healthy, they clear the full 25M off their books. You might be right, it just comes down to whether or not Lance is ready. No one knows the answer to that but if he isn't, that probably won't end well. Also John Lynch himself has said there is not a scenario in which they simply release Jimmy G Edited April 12, 2022 by wwhickok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, wwhickok said: You might be right, it just comes down to whether or not Lance is ready. No one knows the answer to that but if he isn't, that probably won't end well. Also John Lynch himself has said there is not a scenario in which they simply release Jimmy G If Lynch says we will just cut him, why would any team even try trading for Jimmy? Don't take that quote too serious. Shanahan said they were looking to trade Jimmy and then the shoulder surgery happened and that changed things. Jimmy will have to be off the books one way or another. He's not coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, wwhickok said: You might be right, it just comes down to whether or not Lance is ready. No one knows the answer to that but if he isn't, that probably won't end well. Also John Lynch himself has said there is not a scenario in which they simply release Jimmy G Well, he has to say that. The goal would still be to trade him. If you say, "well, we tried to trade him, we are just going to release him now when he gets healthy" you're evaporating any potential market you would have had. You still have to try and sell the illusion to people that you'd be willing to keep him. If the team didn't think Lance was ready, I don't believe that they would have tried to trade him in the first place, though if there is a guy stubborn enough to not trade Jimmy "just because", its probably Shanny lol. . At some point, you just have to let him go through his bumps and bruises, I think. Ultimately, this does provide a cushion if Lance completely bombs (no reason to think that..he may be bad, but hard pressed to see a version that is so bad you feel like you can't move on from a guy you've been trying to move on from for 2 years) or if he gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 3 hours ago, J-ALL-DAY said: What reports? They will not be keeping Jimmy G, doesn't make any sense to do so. They will wait until he is healthy to trade him or worst case, they will cut him. If they cut him after he gets healthy, they clear the full 25M off their books. This is under the massive assumption they think Lance is ready. Everyone knew he was a project who would take time. If they think he still needs time, it makes more sense to just keep Jimmy (you aren't getting good trade value for him anymore) and allowing him to start so you can hopefully ease Lance in. Lance is a longterm investment, there is no need to rush him if you aren't 100% confidant. Not every QB is ready to roll right away. Honestly I don't think Lawrence or Wilson should have started this year either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: I'm still surprised no one is worried about the fact the Patriots lost basically their entire offensive staff, didn't hire an OC to replace McDaniels, and think their offense will just flow freely, lol. Belichick will get the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. McDaniels is a great OC, but they also did well with Weiss, and BOB. They also had a similar situation in 2010 when they didn't have an OC and a DC and they had one of their best years statistically (crapped the bed against the Jets in the playoffs). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, lancerman said: This is under the massive assumption they think Lance is ready. Everyone knew he was a project who would take time. If they think he still needs time, it makes more sense to just keep Jimmy (you aren't getting good trade value for him anymore) and allowing him to start so you can hopefully ease Lance in. Lance is a longterm investment, there is no need to rush him if you aren't 100% confidant. Not every QB is ready to roll right away. Honestly I don't think Lawrence or Wilson should have started this year either. Why do you even shop Jimmy if you don't think Lance is ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 7 hours ago, NYRaider said: Seems like a good use of a third round pick, lol. Hence why the guy who spent it was fired. Outside of the Jefferson pick, we’ve been blown a lot of day 1 and day 2 picks on bad players. But Mond was horrendous. Over the years I’ve seen undrafted camp arms that showed more hope than Mond. I don’t know what his problem is but he wouldn’t have been in the roster if not for his draft status. Would be shocked if he makes the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 12, 2022 Author Share Posted April 12, 2022 14 minutes ago, Forge said: Why do you even shop Jimmy if you don't think Lance is ready? And realistically how will you know if he's ready before training camp, preseason, etc. anyways? You have to just have faith in the guy that you traded 3 1st round picks to acquire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Forge said: Why do you even shop Jimmy if you don't think Lance is ready? Hypothetically a high pick might be worth biting the bullet if the value is there. You can always find some journeyman bridge QB if you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: And realistically how will you know if he's ready before training camp, preseason, etc. anyways? You have to just have faith in the guy that you traded 3 1st round picks to acquire. That's actually probably the better point lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, lancerman said: Hypothetically a high pick might be worth biting the bullet if the value is there. You can always find some journeyman bridge QB if you need it. That still seems weird. If Lance isn't ready you're okay with torpedoing the season for a second round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 1 hour ago, lancerman said: This is under the massive assumption they think Lance is ready. Everyone knew he was a project who would take time. If they think he still needs time, it makes more sense to just keep Jimmy (you aren't getting good trade value for him anymore) and allowing him to start so you can hopefully ease Lance in. Lance is a longterm investment, there is no need to rush him if you aren't 100% confidant. Not every QB is ready to roll right away. Honestly I don't think Lawrence or Wilson should have started this year either. Why wouldn't they think Lance is ready? He was damn near even or better than Jimmy during training camp according to most and he made big improvements from the Cardinals game to the Texans game later in the year. Keeping Jimmy and his 25M contract makes sense, huh??? It absolutely does not make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awsi Dooger Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Mac Jones stepped into a really great situation because the Patriots were in situational uptick mode after plummeting from 12 wins in 2019 to 7 wins in 2020. But now it's just the opposite. Fan and media expectation will be to take a step forward, but the team itself figures to regress after that rise from 7 wins to 10. Trey Lance is in a similar situation, the team in downer mode after climbing from 6 wins to 10. But individually there's not a ton expected of him so he'll be fine. Zach Wilson needs to show some semblance of normalcy. That's the hurdle for him. Forget about so many wow plays and forced passes. Just get out there and execute an offense to the point you're not a topic every week. Lawrence has the long javelin thrower release. Unless he develops a changeup game I think it will be improvement simply because there's no other direction to go, but nothing resembling the expectations. Fields needs to clean up the mechanics. His career depends on that aspect alone. Chicken wings don't work in this league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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