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4 hours ago, Just Want A Title said:

I read the article below and it had some pretty thought provoking lines of thought.  His take on Travon Walker and Jordan Davis seemed harsh but weren't unreasonable.  Thoughts?

  https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2022-nfl-draft-bold-observations-eight-unconventional-takeaways-from-studying-this-draft-class/

Some interesting takes. I have heard the hype on Sky Moore but havent dug much into him to be honest.  Very likely could be someone we target at 32/34 based on quite a few rankings I have seen.  

I like his takes on Ebiketie and the Georgia D lineman.  Walker and Davis scare me just because I hate going off measurables over production.  I think a happy medium would be both going in the 10-20 range but sounds like someone will take Walker early.  

I guess I should watch more Kyler Gordon.  McDuffie impressed me and I think he goes top 20 so saying Gordon is better is quite the take IMO.  

I am not sure his take on Leo Chenal is any different than most think.  His combine opened some eyes but if he is used as an edge instead of a true LB, he will be like a TJ Watt with slightly worse coverage skills. He is a LB that can move around and get after the QB and RB. I really wanted him when we were running more 3-4 especially if we miss out on Hutch, but it sounds like we will be back to more 4-3 and not sure he fits anywhere at this point. At least not anywhere appropriate for what type of draft capital it might take. 

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24 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Some interesting takes. I have heard the hype on Sky Moore but havent dug much into him to be honest.  Very likely could be someone we target at 32/34 based on quite a few rankings I have seen.  

I like his takes on Ebiketie and the Georgia D lineman.  Walker and Davis scare me just because I hate going off measurables over production.  I think a happy medium would be both going in the 10-20 range but sounds like someone will take Walker early.  

I guess I should watch more Kyler Gordon.  McDuffie impressed me and I think he goes top 20 so saying Gordon is better is quite the take IMO.  

I am not sure his take on Leo Chenal is any different than most think.  His combine opened some eyes but if he is used as an edge instead of a true LB, he will be like a TJ Watt with slightly worse coverage skills. He is a LB that can move around and get after the QB and RB. I really wanted him when we were running more 3-4 especially if we miss out on Hutch, but it sounds like we will be back to more 4-3 and not sure he fits anywhere at this point. At least not anywhere appropriate for what type of draft capital it might take. 

I just watched a highlight video, clips of the Michigan game and a bit of the Pitt game. I don't see it. His best success seemed to be in the slot. 

Mike Renner has comped him to Golden Tate. Sam Monson is comping him to Julian Edelman. I like Bucky Brooks' comment about building a basketball team and trying to get different skillsets. I feel like Moore isn't going to bring anything to the table we don't have with ARSB. I feel like we need that big body guy that can also gain some separation. 

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16 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

I just watched a highlight video, clips of the Michigan game and a bit of the Pitt game. I don't see it. His best success seemed to be in the slot. 

Mike Renner has comped him to Golden Tate. Sam Monson is comping him to Julian Edelman. I like Bucky Brooks' comment about building a basketball team and trying to get different skillsets. I feel like Moore isn't going to bring anything to the table we don't have with ARSB. I feel like we need that big body guy that can also gain some separation. 

Amon Ra St Brown has good hands, runs good routes and is strong.  However, he doesn't have the best wiggle or elusiveness.  He highlighted the need to improve his YAC himself.  If Sky Moore brought a Golden Tate/Deebo Samuel level of elusiveness, that would bring something we don't have a lot of with our current group of WRs.

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6 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

I just watched a highlight video, clips of the Michigan game and a bit of the Pitt game. I don't see it. His best success seemed to be in the slot. 

Mike Renner has comped him to Golden Tate. Sam Monson is comping him to Julian Edelman. I like Bucky Brooks' comment about building a basketball team and trying to get different skillsets. I feel like Moore isn't going to bring anything to the table we don't have with ARSB. I feel like we need that big body guy that can also gain some separation. 

I didn't see it with Moore. Looked like a solid slot WR.

6 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Some interesting takes. I have heard the hype on Sky Moore but havent dug much into him to be honest.  Very likely could be someone we target at 32/34 based on quite a few rankings I have seen.  

I like his takes on Ebiketie and the Georgia D lineman.  Walker and Davis scare me just because I hate going off measurables over production.  I think a happy medium would be both going in the 10-20 range but sounds like someone will take Walker early.  

I guess I should watch more Kyler Gordon.  McDuffie impressed me and I think he goes top 20 so saying Gordon is better is quite the take IMO.  

I am not sure his take on Leo Chenal is any different than most think.  His combine opened some eyes but if he is used as an edge instead of a true LB, he will be like a TJ Watt with slightly worse coverage skills. He is a LB that can move around and get after the QB and RB. I really wanted him when we were running more 3-4 especially if we miss out on Hutch, but it sounds like we will be back to more 4-3 and not sure he fits anywhere at this point. At least not anywhere appropriate for what type of draft capital it might take. 

Chenal isn't T.J. Watt imo. I watched him hoping he might be an EDGE gem. I didn't see it. 

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Moore is really good, but I think that you guys are right - he's not the X receiver that this regime seems to really want to target. If they're willing to get really creative with how they deploy all of their weapons it could be an OK fit, as he's a really good player, but I'm not sure if he's what they want right now. 

I'm not really sure what they'll do at receiver. The top five receivers will probably be gone at 32/34, so maybe they wait until the third round and get a guy that's more of a project like Pierce or Tolbert. 

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1 hour ago, Lions017 said:

Moore is really good, but I think that you guys are right - he's not the X receiver that this regime seems to really want to target. If they're willing to get really creative with how they deploy all of their weapons it could be an OK fit, as he's a really good player, but I'm not sure if he's what they want right now. 

I'm not really sure what they'll do at receiver. The top five receivers will probably be gone at 32/34, so maybe they wait until the third round and get a guy that's more of a project like Pierce or Tolbert. 

There's talk of Pickens getting bumped up as potentially a 1st round guy. I'd be more open to him than Moore. We need that jump ball/red zone specialist that's got enough separation to not be a one trick pony. Whether it's natural speed and/or route running, as long as it works it works. They don't need to be running a 4.3. 

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1 hour ago, Karnage84 said:

There's talk of Pickens getting bumped up as potentially a 1st round guy. I'd be more open to him than Moore. We need that jump ball/red zone specialist that's got enough separation to not be a one trick pony. Whether it's natural speed and/or route running, as long as it works it works. They don't need to be running a 4.3. 

Pickens has all of the talent if you aren't worried about his injury history. If he was healthy last year he would've been a slam-dunk first round pick I think. 

You can maybe throw Dotson into the mix at 34 too I think. 

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I think having a "X receiver" is overrated. You can move guys around, and Amon-Ra can play outside too. I think what this regime wants is receivers that are tough, run good routes, catch the ball, block, and make guys miss. Khalil Shakir is my guy.

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On 4/19/2022 at 12:24 PM, Superduperman said:

I think having a "X receiver" is overrated. You can move guys around, and Amon-Ra can play outside too. I think what this regime wants is receivers that are tough, run good routes, catch the ball, block, and make guys miss. Khalil Shakir is my guy.

Daniel Jeremiah keeps talking about Drake London as a "big slot" and he's a guy that has the size and jump ball skills that would normally befit an 'X'. It's not really about where you can play them (although versatility does help) but what they offer - a big bodied 50/50 guy + rz target; a shifty sure-handed guy that can move the chains; a speed guy to push back defenses and create room underneath. You can play these guys all over but having a room built of guys that bring various skillsets to the table only helps to make things difficult for opposing defenses and open up opportunities to make plays. 

We have the speed guy (Chark), we have the shifty guy (ARSB) we just don't have the big bodied guy. Even ARSB is commenting on how we need to bring someone like that in to help him (and the team) have success. 

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2 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

Daniel Jeremiah keeps talking about Drake London as a "big slot" and he's a guy that has the size and jump ball skills that would normally befit an 'X'. It's not really about where you can play them (although versatility does help) but what they offer - a big bodied 50/50 guy + rz target; a shifty sure-handed guy that can move the chains; a speed guy to push back defenses and create room underneath. You can play these guys all over but having a room built of guys that bring various skillsets to the table only helps to make things difficult for opposing defenses and open up opportunities to make plays. 

We have the speed guy (Chark), we have the shifty guy (ARSB) we just don't have the big bodied guy. Even ARSB is commenting on how we need to bring someone like that in to help him (and the team) have success. 

OK sure, but to me it's more paramount to have receivers who can play. Not to say I wouldn't want Drake London, but just from an ideals standpoint, I want guys who have all those things I mentioned above. If one of them isn't 6'4" and runs a 4.3, it doesn't bother me.

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On 4/25/2022 at 6:18 AM, Karnage84 said:

Daniel Jeremiah keeps talking about Drake London as a "big slot" and he's a guy that has the size and jump ball skills that would normally befit an 'X'. It's not really about where you can play them (although versatility does help) but what they offer - a big bodied 50/50 guy + rz target; a shifty sure-handed guy that can move the chains; a speed guy to push back defenses and create room underneath. You can play these guys all over but having a room built of guys that bring various skillsets to the table only helps to make things difficult for opposing defenses and open up opportunities to make plays. 

We have the speed guy (Chark), we have the shifty guy (ARSB) we just don't have the big bodied guy. Even ARSB is commenting on how we need to bring someone like that in to help him (and the team) have success. 

Exactly, which is why I've been advocating for Drake London, Treylon Burks, George Pickens, Christian Watson, Justyn Ross type of receivers. It's not about where you line them up, but what they bring to that table. we saw how the offense opened up for Goff once he got Reynolds on the team. It wasn't just they history together, it was the type of receiver Reynolds is that we did not have on the team prior. People are too caught up with alignments and not skillsets. 

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