mdonnelly21 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Its insane to me how quickly players get butt hurt because of anything and want to be on the trade block. Like if you're not happy where you are, don't expect to be when you get traded to the Jets and win 3 games per year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) I'm coming around on this. Its all a business. Guys like AB and Lev Bell took it way too far but I am fine with a businessman at WR or RB saying he wants the freedom to play somewhere else or make more money. Its trickier at QB since its so integrated in leadership but let those guys go too. If BOB can banish DeAndre Hopkins then Deebo should be able to banish himself. Find a way to make him happy or move on. We all root for the laundry but these guys have short careers. Let them get what they can. We sometimes act like holding out or not signing a tag is against the rules but there are rules for doing both. Just don't pretend they are great leaders and teammates when they want to leave or when they want every last penny. Not everyone has to be a leader and only one team wins the SB each year. I think one rule change should be that all non-QB franchise tags are the average of the top 20 players regardless of position, even for kickers. If you don't want to pay it then he's not really your franchise guy. I'd also be fine with a 5th year option half price buyout escape clause if player and team agree. Baker would be in Seattle or Pittsburgh already. Edited April 21, 2022 by SkippyX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 hours ago, mdonnelly21 said: Like if you're not happy where you are, don't expect to be when you get traded to the Jets and win 3 games per year Some players are only concerned with getting paid and nothing else, regardless of what they might say to the media. Actions speak louder than words and we've seen it happen too often where a player suddenly balls out in a contract year and then phone it in after getting paid. To answer your question, I'd say there's only a very small percentage of players who are on the trade block because they asked to be, and even less are on there because their unhappy with management. Most players are there because it's a business and most players understand this. Alot of players will even politely go to management and ask to be put on the block just for a simple change of scenario and/or a better chance to compete for a starting job and nothing more. And that's fine. Hell if I'm buried behind AD then I know damn well I'm never getting a chance to start. We just don't hear about these type of players too often. We only hear about the beef when it happens because controversy sells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The NBA is trickling over into the NFL.....and I dont like it. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetWash Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The players have a very short window to get paid. They break a bone playing hard and they get cut. If the NFL backed players better I’d potentially be against it, but I’m 100% with the players doing what they can do. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The Browns have spoken about exploiting market inefficiency. They have done that with tight ends, they tagged njoku, who isnt a top 5 tight end. This isnt based on projecting him to dominate rather, tight ends are underpaid relative to their production. They did it again with the cooper trade, they acquired a reciever more talented than Kirk for similar money, and all they did was trade a few spots in the 5th. This isnt to say that they are a head on all moves the Watson move was obviously costly and setting the market with Ward isnt either. The myles garrett deal was great because it got them a head of other pass rushers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 10 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: The NBA is trickling over into the NFL.....and I dont like it. Mehh Only QBs truly impact the game the way an NBA player does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: Mehh Only QBs truly impact the game the way an NBA player does. Yea but its going to be incredibly annoying when every skill position player pulls a James Harden and just start requesting trades in the middle of their contracts. It will make life hell for rebuilding teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 It's a scary slope the NFL is getting in. I get that owners are greedy and I think everyone can agree on that. But the way NBA players have been able to hold teams hostage is awful for the sport (Harden, LBJ, the list goes on) and it sure seems to be spreading to the NFL. You already have it with Kyler Murray & Deebo. But this seems like the new normal : 2019 : Player X gets a 5 contract extension to make him a top 5-7 paid player at his position. **3 years past and new money contracts come in** 2022 : Player X now wants to hold out until he's paid as a top 5 player in 2022. Every player now wants a new contract after their best season, which I guess I get, but what benefit is there to a team to sign a player to a long extension just knowing they're going to come back and want more in a couple years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The BILLievers Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 For example, Jordan Poyer wants a new contract in Buffalo and he has made that public. He deserves it since he was 1st team all pro last season. But he's 30 years old and can the bills really give him top 5 safety money? The media asked Brandon Beane about it yesterday and he essentially said "he's a hell of a player and we want to make it work here in Buffalo. But what players have to understand is every player on the team is asking for a pay raise and/or contract extension and I'm a people person but I also have a job to do". I guess it boils down to how much the player wants to win, how much they like the culture and if they're willing to give up a happy work place/culture for a pay day. Gotta find the happy medium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, The BILLievers said: It's a scary slope the NFL is getting in. I get that owners are greedy and I think everyone can agree on that. But the way NBA players have been able to hold teams hostage is awful for the sport (Harden, LBJ, the list goes on) and it sure seems to be spreading to the NFL. You already have it with Kyler Murray & Deebo. But this seems like the new normal : 2019 : Player X gets a 5 contract extension to make him a top 5-7 paid player at his position. **3 years past and new money contracts come in** 2022 : Player X now wants to hold out until he's paid as a top 5 player in 2022. Every player now wants a new contract after their best season, which I guess I get, but what benefit is there to a team to sign a player to a long extension just knowing they're going to come back and want more in a couple years. Other than QB, no player is good enough to fundamentally altar wins and losses for a team. I love Myles Garrett and Aaron Donald, but they do not cause teams to win and lose because of their individual play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyB Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I think players just know they have to go full court press against the team if they have any hope of getting a contract they like. Teams can either play ball or move on. I'd say 95% of the time, despite the player acting like the very idea of the franchise is offensive down the the core of their being, they're perfectly content if they get a market-busting contract. The only recent ones I can think of that seemingly legit weren't going to re-sign no matter what are Watson (just wanted out of Houston), and Davante (tough one for me to swallow, but weirdly enough most signs point to he just REALLY REALLY wanted to play with David Carr's freaking younger brother). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 18 hours ago, JetWash said: The players have a very short window to get paid. They break a bone playing hard and they get cut. If the NFL backed players better I’d potentially be against it, but I’m 100% with the players doing what they can do. Players can't be cut while on IR. What the hell are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 41 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Players can't be cut while on IR. What the hell are you talking about? Is there really a difference between an injury settlement vs cut? Sure you end up with more change in your pocket, but you're unemployed all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted April 22, 2022 Share Posted April 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Is there really a difference between an injury settlement vs cut? Sure you end up with more change in your pocket, but you're unemployed all the same. The player has to agree to the injury silent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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