Just Want A Title Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 It seems like the recent trades have eliminated most of the probable trade early in the draft. Philadelphia, NO, KC, Houston, GB, Jets and Giants have multiple first-round picks. GB, KC, Jets and Seattle have multiple 2d-rounds picks. None of these teams seem to have a legitimate reason to trade up to #2. The Lions could use multiple 2d-round picks but the teams that have multiple 2d-rounders seem be more likely to keep them than to trade up to #32. I don't see the Lions moving back much at 34 because they will probably be able to pick up a legit-impact player at a position of need. I could see them trading back in the 3rd-round though. My scenario: The Ravens currently own picks 14, 45, 76, 100, 110, 119, 128, 139, and 141 giving them two picks in the 3rd-round and 5 picks in the 4th-round. Their roster is too deep to use all of those 4th-rounders this year. The trade: The Ravens move up in the 3rd-round trading 76, 110 and 141 for Pick #66. This would give the Lions a shot at the same caliber of player they would have taken at 66 while adding a couple of 4th-rounders. 141 is at the end of the 4th round so it is essentially a 5th round pick. That leaves the Ravens with plenty of resources to make an another trade into the 3rd-round or future considerations. Where do you see our most likely trade-down scenarios? The link below doesn't reflect the loss of our 7th-round pick. Thoughts? https://gbnreport.com/2022-picks-by-team/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 The only scenario that makes any sense at this point is for most of the QBs to fall out of the first round, and one of the teams who passed on them trades up to #32 to get that fifth year option. So, Seattle, Atlanta, New Orleans, Pittsburgh. And they wouldn't be giving two second rounders either. Lions might get a second and a third, or a second and multiple picks lower down, which wouldn't be terrible because we could stand to get those fourth and fifth rounders back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Superduperman said: The only scenario that makes any sense at this point is for most of the QBs to fall out of the first round, and one of the teams who passed on them trades up to #32 to get that fifth year option. So, Seattle, Atlanta, New Orleans, Pittsburgh. And they wouldn't be giving two second rounders either. Lions might get a second and a third, or a second and multiple picks lower down, which wouldn't be terrible because we could stand to get those fourth and fifth rounders back. In that scenario, we may get a future 1st out of it, which I would be ok with too. If a team is that set on getting their QB, they would have to pay a premium for that extra year of control. I don't think its likely, but its what I would push for. As for trading back from 2, it is highly unlikely but I wouldn't rule anything out as we have seen shocking trades happen that were highly unexpected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Sllim Pickens said: we may get a future 1st out of it Not a chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Superduperman said: Not a chance The Browns traded a 2nd and a future first for Brady Quinn. The Ravens traded 2 seconds and a 4th for Lamar Jackson. Getting a future first at 32 is not out of the question. Given future picks are typically graded as a round lower, there would be value if someone is in love with a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: The Browns traded a 2nd and a future first for Brady Quinn. The Ravens traded 2 seconds and a 4th for Lamar Jackson. Getting a future first at 32 is not out of the question. Given future picks are typically graded as a round lower, there would be value if someone is in love with a QB. Not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Superduperman said: Not happening Good discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superduperman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I did my discussion higher up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 26 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: The Browns traded a 2nd and a future first for Brady Quinn. The Ravens traded 2 seconds and a 4th for Lamar Jackson. Getting a future first at 32 is not out of the question. Given future picks are typically graded as a round lower, there would be value if someone is in love with a QB. I'm not banking on it but I don't think it's 100% out of the realm of possibility. I only really see us getting a future 1st from a team that doesn't have a lot of assets in this current draft year (say Carolina). Pittsburgh at 20 is a team many people expect to take a QB Green Bay and KC are two teams that have 2x late 1st's and could be a trade down partners. The presumption is that if the Panthers pass at QB at 6, there could be a fall. Say the draft goes: #20 - Pittsburgh - Malik Willis #23 - Arizona - If Kyler's situation unravels, we could see Arizona take someone like Ridder as Kyler insurance #28 - 31: Packers and Chiefs have multiple picks here. Definitely could be trade down partners. Bengals are sitting at 31 and a team could opt to trade up to get ahead of Detroit if there's the expectation we want a QB. There's a very good chance that there's a bit of a run. as we could be looking at 2-3 guys picked by #31. Lions are also sitting pretty with pick #34, which would add pressure to a team to move up because if [the Lions] would take someone at #34, they'll take them at 32 for that 5th year option and still get a guy they would target at 32. If we go with PFF's rankings, 1) Malik Willis 2) Sam Howell 3) Desmond Ridder 4) Kenny Pickett 5) Matt Corral Teams like Carolina Seattle, Atlanta, Indianapolis are all teams that absolutely could be in the QB market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 If we use the trade value chart, pick #32 is 590 points. QB's typically add a premium (approximately 20% or 708 pts) and with the shallowness of this class, this likely would be met. We realistically could see deals like: Seattle Trades #40 (500 pts), #72 (230 pts) = 730 points Lions trade #32 (708 pts), #177 (19 pts), 2023 7th (2 pts) = 729 pts Lions +1 INDIANAPOLIS Trades #42 (480 pts), #73 (225 pts) = 705 pts Lions trade #32 (708 pts) Lions -3 ATLANTA Trades #43 (470 pts), #74 (220 pts), #151 (29.4 pts), 2023 6th (6 pts) = 725.4 pts Lions trade #32 (708 pts), #177 (19 pts) = 727 Lions - 1.6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Carolina is where we could see a potential 2023 1st come into the equation. If they choose to not trade for Baker and they're not sold on Darnold being able to improve with better weapons and protection around him, then they very well could get into that QB market. CAROLINA Trades #137 (37.5 pts), 2023 1st (590 pts), 2023 3rd (84 pts) = 711.5 pts Lions trade #32 (708 pts), #217 (3 pts) = 711 pts Lions + 0.5 pts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Carolina is where we could see a potential 2023 1st come into the equation. If they choose to not trade for Baker and they're not sold on Darnold being able to improve with better weapons and protection around him, then they very well could get into that QB market. CAROLINA Trades #137 (37.5 pts), 2023 1st (590 pts), 2023 3rd (84 pts) = 711.5 pts Lions trade #32 (708 pts), #217 (3 pts) = 711 pts Lions + 0.5 pts I could see them or Indy making a move. I know Indy has Ryan but if they want to look to the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 I did a PFF mock as the Panthers. Traded down from #6 to #13 and #13 to #22 (Packers) and #22 to #29 (Chiefs). Malik Willis was taken at #20 by Pittsburgh. I selected Pickett at #29 while the Lions took Ridder at #32. I don't think it's realistic for the Panthers to move down quite as much in real life. It was more about seeing where some of these QB's could go. In another version, I stuck at 6 and then did my trade up (as suggested). Lions accepted it and the Panthers selected Pickett at #32. Lions took Howell at #34 while Corral went to the Commanders at 47. Carolina is really in a tough spot. They need to win now and I don't think a rookie QB does that. However, Darnold hasn't proven to be "the guy" so and while they could trade for Baker there's vocal opposition against him already in the locker room. If they expect Pickett to be the most ready to win now, they very well could take a swing like this knowing that it won't matter if they don't have a 1st and 3rd in 2023 because they won't be there unless they start winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: I could see them or Indy making a move. I know Indy has Ryan but if they want to look to the future. The more that I think about it, I think it'd be either Carolina or Atlanta. You're in a division where Tom Brady is leading the Bucs. He's likely gone in 2-3 seasons from now. The Saints have Jameis and Sean Payton is no longer leading the charge. Neither the Panthers or Falcons are quite ready to compete for the division with their current rosters. However, the Panthers really have this season to get things on track before Tepper is likely going to try and tap into another HC. Falcons might have a bit more wiggle room but I would give them this season and next to really turn things around before they start looking too. Panthers just have to figure out if Darnold or the roster (or both) is the issue. If they can get him better protection and add some weapons, could they win enough games to salvage the year and give Rhule another season of team building? Maybe. It's a big maybe. If it's more about Darnold, they could still address the protection issues at #6 and then give up future assets to find the guy who might either a) help them win more games to keep their jobs and/or b) give Tepper a reason to delay firing this staff and develop their QBOTF. Falcons can't be looking at Mariota as their long-term option. They desperately need WR help which they can address at #8. Selecting someone like Ridder at #32 could buy some more time for this staff without having to give up future assets. Indy appears to be more of a "win now" and they'll build around Ryan. They could take someone in the 3rd (or 2nd if a Corral or Howell falls to them) but that division only really has two solid teams. If you can put something together that's competent you have a real shot at making the playoffs unlike the meat grinder of the AFC West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehardlionfan Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 I don’t foresee trade downs that are effective at this point. If I had a nickel for every trade down scenario over the past 10 years I could retire. Wait, I am retired😎 The Lions simply are never in the right position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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