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1 minute ago, Woz said:

Fair enough. My point and I think @e16bball's as well is where the hell is the forward-looking thinking? This is why I hate the coach-as-GM model. The GM should be approaching the 2022 draft with thoughts on how the roster will look in 2023 and beyond as well as this year. The coach is only concerned in the upcoming year.

The Poodles aren't doing enough to protect Ron the GM from Ron the Coach. Of course, if they weren't the Poodles, Ron wouldn't be the GM.

I mean you could see from the trade down last night how much they lack forward thinking.  None of the picks we got were for next year, which arguably should be a much better draft class. 

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1 minute ago, Woz said:

And that buffer only works if Rivera wins. After the season begins, all of the focus will be on the man in the sideline not the man in the owner's booth.

Another thing to consider is who could Snyder even get as HC at this point?  Any decent candidate is going to think it’s career suicide.

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Just now, MKnight82 said:

I think we’ll be competitive.  We should have a relatively easy schedule again and Wentz should be an upgrade over Heinicke.  Beyond just winning they really need Chase Young to come back strong cause this team needs a face of the franchise.

Competitive? Okay.

However, Philly just catapulted themselves into NFC East winner conversation (Hurts is the sole limiter on them) and the Giants made two great steps to getting back to relevance.

But if Wentz goes down (remember, he's only fully started in 3 of his 6 seasons), then they are back to where they were this year with Heinicke. Arguably, they are a little worse from a talent perspective as well.

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3 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

I mean you could see from the trade down last night how much they lack forward thinking.  None of the picks we got were for next year, which arguably should be a much better draft class. 

I will rail on Rivera and the Poodles inability at constructing a roster with any semblance of a plan, but no team got 2023 picks on draft day even with all of the trades. It was a buyer's market for teams looking to move up.

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4 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Another thing to consider is who could Snyder even get as HC at this point?  Any decent candidate is going to think it’s career suicide.

Either a young guy hoping to break through with plans of his second coaching position after Washington inevitably melts down or a minority candidate who is tired of being passed up multiple times and just wants the chance (Eric Bieniemy, for instance)?

While it is definitely not a top option, it is an option in a league where there are only 32 spots.

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3 minutes ago, Woz said:

Either a young guy hoping to break through with plans of his second coaching position after Washington inevitably melts down or a minority candidate who is tired of being passed up multiple times and just wants the chance (Eric Bieniemy, for instance)?

While it is definitely not a top option, it is an option in a league where there are only 32 spots.

Ok that’s a coach.  What GM would want to ever work for Snyder?  I mean people complaining about the current situation need to realize it could be way worse.

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2 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Ok that’s a coach.  What GM would want to ever work for Snyder?  I mean people complaining about the current situation need to realize it could be way worse.

I suspect they would keep Mayhew and fire both Hurney and Rivera. Keep the guy who already took the job.

EDIT: Does that mean I think Mayhew is a good GM? No. However, they do have an option to promote a Poodle to an actual position of control.

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4 minutes ago, Woz said:

I suspect they would keep Mayhew and fire both Hurney and Rivera. Keep the guy who already took the job.

EDIT: Does that mean I think Mayhew is a good GM? No. However, they do have an option to promote a Poodle to an actual position of control.

I don’t see how that changes anything.

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1 hour ago, MKnight82 said:

I don’t see how that changes anything.

I didn't say it would necessarily change anything. I said it is an option if they want to move on from Rivera.

You were saying that there was no path forward because of Snyder. I am saying they have ways forward. Perhaps not the best or first choice, but that is due to Snyder. However, saying that Rivera is completely protected because of Snyder's misdoings is incorrect in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

Another thing to consider is who could Snyder even get as HC at this point?  Any decent candidate is going to think it’s career suicide.

The set up of what should be here is the one I begged for when Bruce Allen was fired and everyone was let go. Kyle Smith as GM and Kevin O'Connell as head coach. KOC is now a head coach and Smith seems to be well on his way to being a GM sooner rather than later. Rivera was just a retread with limited success over the years. Yes, he made a Super Bowl but the dude has 3 winning seasons. THREE.

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1 hour ago, lavar703 said:

The set up of what should be here is the one I begged for when Bruce Allen was fired and everyone was let go. Kyle Smith as GM and Kevin O'Connell as head coach. KOC is now a head coach and Smith seems to be well on his way to being a GM sooner rather than later. Rivera was just a retread with limited success over the years. Yes, he made a Super Bowl but the dude has 3 winning seasons. THREE.

Dan Snyder would have bullied all over those guys.

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Just now, MKnight82 said:

Dan Snyder would have bullied all over those guys.

Maybe but does it matter if the results are what they currently are? And Snyder already knew he couldn't keep doing the crap he was doing. The stadium is completely empty and it wasn't filling back up with his decision making. He has to be very aware of that at this point.

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