Zycho32 Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, HokieHigh said: OG is a much less explosive position than OLB... i need to see some production out of him post-acl to warrant it. i'd take 2 firsts in a blink. defense would definitely be better with gary - don't get me wrong. but i would rather spend early picks on explosive talent and money elsewhere Taking 2 Firsts for a Pass Rusher is a very easy thing to do... since it's only ever gonna happen in your dreams- Brian Burns notwithstanding. Also, I wouldn't say this D is operating just fine without him. Right now we haven't stopped anybody remotely good(Minnesota's debatable based on their stats) and our pass rush is comparatively pedestrian despite Kingsley's contribution with Pressures. I do have to admit I'd flinch if I had to immediately pay Gary 20M/yr before he comes back from his injury, but it'd just be a brief flinch. Then I'd bemoan my lack of drinkin' afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HokieHigh Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 24 minutes ago, Zycho32 said: Taking 2 Firsts for a Pass Rusher is a very easy thing to do... since it's only ever gonna happen in your dreams- Brian Burns notwithstanding. Also, I wouldn't say this D is operating just fine without him. Right now we haven't stopped anybody remotely good(Minnesota's debatable based on their stats) and our pass rush is comparatively pedestrian despite Kingsley's contribution with Pressures. I do have to admit I'd flinch if I had to immediately pay Gary 20M/yr before he comes back from his injury, but it'd just be a brief flinch. Then I'd bemoan my lack of drinkin' afterwards. fwiw old guys post made the 2 first contingent on one of them being top 10, this is the origin of the 2 frp comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 On 4/30/2022 at 3:42 PM, packfanfb said: 5th round. I'll take it. Bump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 The guy was causing problems all over the place and set a decent edge on one play that I saw. Great to have a young guy in the rotation like this as Preston plays the seen it all vet, hopefully Gary comes back as the star, and LVN begins his rise to his potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebpackfan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 We’re gonna have plenty of guys to rush the passer which is great—but we better be better stopping the run, or we’ll never get to those 3rd and 5+s we need to pin our ears back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 21 hours ago, mikebpackfan said: We’re gonna have plenty of guys to rush the passer which is great—but we better be better stopping the run, or we’ll never get to those 3rd and 5+s we need to pin our ears back. In this last pre-season game, they ran at will against us when they saw us in the 2 DL, 2 EDGE set. Once we went to 3 DL, 2 EDGE and closed the gaps, they were hit in the backfield immediately. I want to say we ran that defense out against "heavy" offensive sets. At least Barry remembers that we can do that stuff. Whether or not he continues to remember those things in a few weeks remains to be seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, vegas492 said: In this last pre-season game, they ran at will against us when they saw us in the 2 DL, 2 EDGE set. Once we went to 3 DL, 2 EDGE and closed the gaps, they were hit in the backfield immediately. I want to say we ran that defense out against "heavy" offensive sets. At least Barry remembers that we can do that stuff. Whether or not he continues to remember those things in a few weeks remains to be seen. Berry is still our greatest liability on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
svp Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Barry's gonna turn it around. He is in the press box now. Eagle eye. Bear in the air. He is gonna put mirrored windows up and put a nacho maker kit in there. Game console to test new ideas. Put all edge rushers on the line when it's 3rd and 25. It should work this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Fussnputz Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, svp said: Barry's gonna turn it around. He is in the press box now. Eagle eye. Bear in the air. He is gonna put mirrored windows up and put a nacho maker kit in there. Game console to test new ideas. Put all edge rushers on the line when it's 3rd and 25. It should work this year. Putting him in the press box was a good move, but could he coach from the parking lot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 The best thing I heard from Barry was he was listening to his players, and they want a more aggressive approach on defense. As for Kingsley Enagbare, man his second-year leap looks legit. He better keep it up to hold off Cox for EDGE 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, Old Guy said: The best thing I heard from Barry was he was listening to his players, and they want a more aggressive approach on defense. As for Kingsley Enagbare, man his second-year leap looks legit. He better keep it up to hold off Cox for EDGE 4. How is Engbare not EDGE3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, vegas492 said: How is Engbare not EDGE3? Might be! I think LVN is going to get every opportunity to fill that role. Bottom line, EDGE looks pretty darn good for GB. Edited August 21, 2023 by Old Guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Might be! I think LVN is going to get every opportunity to fill that role. Bottom line, EDGE looks pretty darn good for GB. I wanted LVN to be EDGE3 as well. But clearly, it needs to be Engbare. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zycho32 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I wanted LVN to be EDGE3 as well. But clearly, it needs to be Engbare. You know, #3 and #4 are only relevant if the EDGE partnerships aren't substituted in pairs. Of course, I'm assuming this is how the team actually switches them out, so... Edited August 21, 2023 by Zycho32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Zycho32 said: You know, #3 and #4 are only relevant if the EDGE partnerships aren't substituted in pairs. Of course, I'm assuming this is how the team actually switches them out, so... I'm looking at them more by snap count. For right now, Engbare needs the lions share of snaps after P. And maybe even with Gary as he works back into game shape. LVN can still get his, but they should be more limited. I had thought he could get reps on the DL. And with Brooks and Wooden playing as they have, those reps are going to be tougher to get as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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