AkronsWitness Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 3 hours ago, candyman93 said: Due to the Watson trade, we’re probably going to try to do the same thing next year. Two guys I immediately think we lose next year are Conklin and Hunt. We probably lose Greedy too. So we will probably trade down from 2, draft a CB with our first pick, and draft some o-line help. I'm not a fan of any draft that doesn't include a development OG it OT in the mid rounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 minute ago, AkronsWitness said: I'm not a fan of any draft that doesn't include a development OG it OT in the mid rounds. I agree. I think that was our only mistake. We should draft offensive linemen every year. It’s the same as drafting CBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) @Kiwibrown said it best. We have an incredibly strong foundation of talent. We have a superstar QB, pass rusher, and CB. You’re talking about guys that could easily be with us in their prime for 7 years. As long as those guys are healthy, we won’t be a “bad franchise” anymore. Consequently, we have to learn to draft and develop role players and depth guys. Everybody wants to draft superstar players in every draft, but that doesn’t happen often and you have to pay them. The decades of suck are over. Edited May 1, 2022 by candyman93 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugpimpen Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, candyman93 said: @Kiwibrown said it best. We have an incredibly strong foundation of talent. We have a superstar QB, pass rusher, and CB. You’re talking about guys that could easily be with us in their prime for 7 years. As long as those guys are healthy, we won’t be a “bad franchise” anymore. Consequently, we have to learn to draft and develop role players and depth guys. Everybody wants to draft superstar players in every draft, but that doesn’t happen often and you have to pay them. The decades of suck are over. 100%. Even if you don't love the Watson additional from a personal side of things, it's impossible to think our franchise should not be much better on the field for a long time, barring some crazy unforseen things (which could definitely happen to us lol). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 31 minutes ago, nugpimpen said: 100%. Even if you don't love the Watson additional from a personal side of things, it's impossible to think our franchise should not be much better on the field for a long time, barring some crazy unforseen things (which could definitely happen to us lol). We'll see what a difference having Watson makes but I personally don't like the direction we are going 2 and more years down the road. We are going to sacrifice positional groups to make this happen while losing a lot of draft resources. I would have felt better had we stayed the course and I'm only speaking on the football side of things. Having a gross person as the face of the franchise just makes it feel worse for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big poppa pump Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: We'll see what a difference having Watson makes but I personally don't like the direction we are going 2 and more years down the road. We are going to sacrifice positional groups to make this happen while losing a lot of draft resources. I would have felt better had we stayed the course and I'm only speaking on the football side of things. Having a gross person as the face of the franchise just makes it feel worse for me. I think, based on your posts, it's more this! Couple that with the fact that you are a Baker honk, and this really must suck for you. The FO is definitely banking on Watson being a top 5-8 QB in this league. His salary will only seem high for so long. Great football teams with great QB's figure it out. Sacrifices may need to be made, in terms of signing FA's. The assets that we lose via the draft hurt more, but can also be overcome. If your thoughts are we would have been better off keeping Mayfield, along with the draft capital???? I disagree 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 32 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: We'll see what a difference having Watson makes but I personally don't like the direction we are going 2 and more years down the road. We are going to sacrifice positional groups to make this happen while losing a lot of draft resources. I would have felt better had we stayed the course and I'm only speaking on the football side of things. Having a gross person as the face of the franchise just makes it feel worse for me. Excellent post Thomas Life goes on Went to yellowstone yesterday saw Old faithful mother black bear,black wolf at 25 yards 2 grizzlies bears and in general spoiled daddy's girl in short life goes on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, big poppa pump said: I think, based on your posts, it's more this! Couple that with the fact that you are a Baker honk, and this really must suck for you. The FO is definitely banking on Watson being a top 5-8 QB in this league. His salary will only seem high for so long. Great football teams with great QB's figure it out. Sacrifices may need to be made, in terms of signing FA's. The assets that we lose via the draft hurt more, but can also be overcome. If your thoughts are we would have been better off keeping Mayfield, along with the draft capital???? I disagree That's fair. I have no special feelings good or bad about Mayfield the man. I do think he can be a top 5-10 QB and it sucked we never used his best attributes his entire time here but I don't need others to think his value is the same as what I think it is. If I'm right...it was an awful trade. To pay an additional 25 million per year and give up a boatload of picks including three 1st rounders to go from a projected top 10 QB to a top 5-8 QB on a run heavy team seems like.... a lot. If Baker ends up being a bottom 10 QB it makes sense. Still a big move and Watson has to be MVP level pretty much every year for it to work out but I at least understand from a football side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 42 minutes ago, big poppa pump said: I think, based on your posts, it's more this! Couple that with the fact that you are a Baker honk, and this really must suck for you. The FO is definitely banking on Watson being a top 5-8 QB in this league. His salary will only seem high for so long. Great football teams with great QB's figure it out. Sacrifices may need to be made, in terms of signing FA's. The assets that we lose via the draft hurt more, but can also be overcome. If your thoughts are we would have been better off keeping Mayfield, along with the draft capital???? I disagree Ok your on Pay Mayfield 40 million 2 years Pay Ward 15 million 2 years ago Extend Greedy Draft Newsome draft jok Draft Phillips This year Draft Hamilton Then trade up get hil That means I have I have hamilton,hill,delpit plus Ward for 5 years Plus Greedy for 5 years Newsome for 5 years Jok for 7 years Hamilton for 10 years Hill for 10 years Round 3 Winfrey Round 3 trade with the last of my 4 For Grady Sizemore 4th Rasheed walker ot Penn state 6th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nugpimpen Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Did I just see Grady Sizemore's name in this thread? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 Just now, nugpimpen said: Did I just see Grady Sizemore's name in this thread? Yes traded for him 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: I would have felt better had we stayed the course and I'm only speaking on the football side of things. I strongly disagree with you on this. There’s nothing I saw from Baker that led me to believe he was “the guy.” The ending of that Kansas City vs Buffalo playoff game told me Baker needed to go. There’s not any scenario where I can imagine Baker keeping up with Mahomes + Allen in a shootout. I do 100% understand completely with you being grossed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 28 minutes ago, nugpimpen said: Did I just see Grady Sizemore's name in this thread? Try to keep up. Grady Sizemore dt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 23 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: Try to keep up. Grady Sizemore dt Should I keep this for my resume when Berry gets fired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted May 1, 2022 Share Posted May 1, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Should I keep this for my resume when Berry gets fired So one season from now? 😃 Spoiler I actually give him two seasons. Edited May 1, 2022 by NudeTayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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