Jets 2022 General Talk

[Bobby816]

Starting a New thread for the next season now that FA and the draft are done.

 

A lot to be excited for on this team with a whole roster makeover in a few years.

Depth Chart as of now is something like this...

 

QB: Wilson, Flacco, White

RB: Hall, Carter, Coleman

WR: Davis, Wilson, Moore, Berrios, Mims

TE: Uzomah, Conklin, Ruckert

LT: Fant, McDermott

LG: Tomlinson, GVR

OC: McGovern, Feeney

RG: AVT

RT: Becton, Mitchell

 

DE: Lawson, Johnson, Huff, Martin, Curry, Clemons

DT: Williams, Rankins, JFM, Thomas, Shepard, Marshall

LB: Mosley, Williams, Nas, Sherwood

CB: Sauce, Reed, MC2, Hall, Echols, Guidry, Hardee

FS: Joyner, Davis, Pinnock

SS: Whitehead, Riley

 

LS: Hennessy

K: Zuerlin, Piniero

P: Mann

 

Positional battles will be...

Hall vs Carter on who gets more touches?

Do we use Conklin as a FB?

Can Becton beat out Fant for the LT spot?

Can Johnson do enough to start Week 1 at DE?

Are we moving Hall to FS since he's not a starter now?

[xrade]

I'd expect a starting caliber player to be added as cuts start happening.  There are still 10 teams under $10M in available space and 3 teams in the red for effective cap space.  Some decent players are going to be available.  Looking at teams close to the cap and soon to be FA's, could a S like Julian Love (Giants), Hooker (Titans), and Thompson (Cards) shake free?

[Bobby816]

33 minutes ago, xrade said:

I'd expect a starting caliber player to be added as cuts start happening.  There are still 10 teams under $10M in available space and 3 teams in the red for effective cap space.  Some decent players are going to be available.  Looking at teams close to the cap and soon to be FA's, could a S like Julian Love (Giants), Hooker (Titans), and Thompson (Cards) shake free?

I think LB might be the only spot we still might bring in an actual talent. S, I think we're ok with rolling with Joyner, Davis, Riley and Pinnock beside Whitehead.

[rickyt31]

 

* I believe Hall would be the best FS on the team if he moved over. Having him come off the bench to get reps is pointless to me. I would start him at FS and move him around based on coverages and matchups. Locating the ball from a CB and Safety position is completely different and I think it will work out for him. Carter, Parks, and Pinnock will make it a interesting battle. 

* Now that Sherwood & Nas had the year to adapt (What I told everyone should happen the day we drafted them), they should be ready to compete or at least rotate. It's not easy being a mid/late round safety transitioning to an NFL LB. I don't care how often they played in the box. Facing blocking as an 8th man is a little easier than being a part of the big 7. I'm expecting one of them to have gained some weight and have gotten used to playing on the 2nd level. The perfect opportunity for Nas to make the leap. 

* By mid season, I have Johnson & Lawson as the starters with Clemons, Huff, and Curry in the rotation. I think JFM will do a good job as a DT and eventually will be kept there. Especially after JJ proves he can pass rush and defend the run. When JFM took some reps IDL with Williams in 2020, they were the only duo to average more than 3 pressures a game. JFM is a solid run defender, he's just not fast enough to set the edge. So he just looks like a bad run defender at time. Plus, he's 25, so he's probably gotten better at it. 

* I have Becton winning the LT battle. 

[Rockice_8]

3 minutes ago, rickyt31 said:

 

* I believe Hall would be the best FS on the team if he moved over. Having him come off the bench to get reps is pointless to me. I would start him at FS and move him around based on coverages and matchups. Locating the ball from a CB and Safety position is completely different and I think it will work out for him. Carter, Parks, and Pinnock will make it a interesting battle. 

* Now that Sherwood & Nas had the year to adapt (What I told everyone should happen the day we drafted them), they should be ready to compete or at least rotate. It's not easy being a mid/late round safety transitioning to an NFL LB. I don't care how often they played in the box. Facing blocking as an 8th man is a little easier than being a part of the big 7. I'm expecting one of them to have gained some weight and have gotten used to playing on the 2nd level. The perfect opportunity for Nas to make the leap. 

* By mid season, I have Johnson & Lawson as the starters with Clemons, Huff, and Curry in the rotation. I think JFM will do a good job as a DT and eventually will be kept there. Especially after JJ proves he can pass rush and defend the run. When JFM took some reps IDL with Williams in 2020, they were the only duo to average more than 3 pressures a game. JFM is a solid run defender, he's just not fast enough to set the edge. So he just looks like a bad run defender at time. Plus, he's 25, so he's probably gotten better at it. 

* I have Becton winning the LT battle. 

Hall was touted for his zone coverage if I recall so I wonder if that was the plan all along since we didn't address FS and knew we were going Sauce early.  Pinnock was in the same mold as a zone cover guy and he looked surprisingly comfortable there without much time to prep.  Hall playing FS at a high level could be transformative for this defense while still knowing he can play CB in a pinch.  Worth watching for sure.

I loved the Nas pick last year and thought he would fly up the depth chart but injuries never really let him get comfortable there.  Hope he was able to add some weight this offseason and stay healthy because he is my pick to turn heads in TC.

I think Martin beats out Curry, JD and Saleh wouldn't have singed him to that deal if they didn't expect big things from him.  Who starts doesn't matter really.  We can go 2 and even 3 deep across all of the DL spots which is huge.  Even if none are Prime Von or Bosa our coverage should buy them an extra second to get home and our depth will wear OLs out.

Becton will be the better OT slightly but I think Fant is best on the left so Becton will form a brick wall with AVT on the right.  I think we are going to see a lot of runs in that direction.    

[KingOfNewYork]

2 hours ago, Bobby816 said:

Positional battles will be...

Hall vs Carter on who gets more touches?

Do we use Conklin as a FB?

Can Becton beat out Fant for the LT spot?

Can Johnson do enough to start Week 1 at DE?

Are we moving Hall to FS since he's not a starter now?

I listened to Connor Hughes podcast and he answered some of these things.

Hall and Carter will split reps, MLF will essentially feed the hot hand/keep fresh legs churning out there.(not my words)

Didnt say anything about Fullback

Fant and Becton will play LT/RT respectively. He is concerned should one regress or Becton implodes that we don’t have a “Moses” to look to should that happen.(not my words)

Johnson will “start” but Saleh believes in a pure rotation along the line so guys can stay fresh and play 100mph at all times so even if Johnson isn’t the first guy out there he’s going to play a high percentage of reps especially on passing downs.(not my words)

Hall isn’t moving to Safety, they love the combination of Joyner and Whitehead and will continue developing Davis, Riley and Pinnock(not my words)

[ekill08x]

Hall would absolutely be a good FS. Covers very well in zone and can tackle well. Could be a hybrid player. Could be a situation where if we want our best coverage players on the field and we have Carter as the NCB and Reed and Sauce on the outside...maybe just to get another good coverage player on the field he gets put at FS at times. I like coaches that get creative in the secondary. 

[NJC33]

Have to wonder how much of a competition it'll be at LT - I think there's enough evidence to this point suggesting Fant is better off at LT. The decision might ultimately come down to what's best for the team, in which case, this shouldn't be framed as a competition. Will be interesting to see how Becton reacts, wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if he let his ego get the best of him, voicing his displeasure having to play RT etc. 

Nas is one guy I'm really looking forward to following. ILB might be the only spot that's truly wide-open; crazy, can't remember the last time we didn't have 4-5 legitimate holes entering camp. Loved the pick, thought he'd transition well, but obviously he wasn't ready last season. If he can add a sideline-to-sideline presence to our LB group, it would be a huge win.

[NJC33]

Also, Pinnock played great down the stretch at FS if I remember correctly? Hopefully he can continue to develop there.

[xrade]

54 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

I think LB might be the only spot we still might bring in an actual talent. S, I think we're ok with rolling with Joyner, Davis, Riley and Pinnock beside Whitehead.

I was only using S as an example.  But, yeah, LB or any position group really will be looked at.

[ekill08x]

11 minutes ago, NJC33 said:

Also, Pinnock played great down the stretch at FS if I remember correctly? Hopefully he can continue to develop there.

He has potential. The jump from college to the NFL is big. Not everyone gets it year one and he was behind from the get-go. He absolutely has the talent to stick around though. I also expect Sauce to struggle at first as well. 

[NJC33]

2 hours ago, ekill08x said:

He has potential. The jump from college to the NFL is big. Not everyone gets it year one and he was behind from the get-go. He absolutely has the talent to stick around though. I also expect Sauce to struggle at first as well. 

 

“We just look at Pinnock — his size, length, speed, his athleticism — we’re like, man, he’d be a really cool free safety, Jimmie Ward-type in our system,” 

“I’m kind of weird. I love adversity, I love change, I love being uncomfortable,” Pinnock said Wednesday. “The process was actually kind of fun for me. I was always that long corner, that in-betweener, so it was never anything too new to me or foreign. Yeah, I enjoyed that process, for real.”

Love how he embraced the change midseason, obviously paid off in the limited sample size. Interesting storyline to watch development. I'm not getting suckered into a 3 game output to end the season, like we've seen from others in the past, but it's promising. 

[Dr.O]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lawson doesn’t start in base until he’s 100 percent

[KingOfNewYork]

2 hours ago, Dr.O said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lawson doesn’t start in base until he’s 100 percent

He won’t play until he’s 100%

[Rockice_8]

3 hours ago, Dr.O said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if Lawson doesn’t start in base until he’s 100 percent

If there is a silver lining it will be over a year from the injury so hopefully he is come week 1.  It's weird that NO paid Maye that much because his was mid year.  Do they really think he'll be 100% come week one?