Jets 2022 General Talk

[NewAge]

I think Sauce is getting 1 and Reed is getting 4

[NJC33]

1 hour ago, xrade said:

Didn’t he though?  Many on this site praised our CB’s going so far as to say the scheme masks the talent deficiency. That we could get day three talent and have them perform. Wouldn’t that be an example of getting lesser talented players playing above themselves ie. elevating the pieces?

 

I couldn’t agree more and I think Saleh did just that.  But I hope your not expecting a silk purse from a sow’s ear.  I certainly wish he could have done more but that is being greedy. This year will be telling because we supposedly have the talent.  I expect growing pains but I also expect noticeable improvement.

For the record, I love Saleh, happy he's our guy. 

Not sure how you can argue he elevated the defense - it was arguably the worst output in franchise history. We finished dead last in points + yards allowed. We somehow managed to regress from the previous year; had that been suggested prior to the season, I guarantee this board would've unanimously shot it down simply because Saleh > Gregg.

Not at all insinuating we should've been good, but clearly we didn't play above expectations either, we actually got worse. To be considered a great offensive or defensive coach, it's fair to expect results in excess of talent. There's literally no way to argue Saleh did that, given we were the worst defense in the league AND the group he inherited took a step back. All that being said, I don't think of it as being a huge knock against him, his focus was elsewhere in that "CEO" role. I would be more critical if he didn't bring that to the table.    

[Abe56]

Now I need Mike White to give up that #5 to GW

[xrade]

21 minutes ago, NJC33 said:

For the record, I love Saleh, happy he's our guy. 

Not sure how you can argue he elevated the defense - it was arguably the worst output in franchise history. We finished dead last in points + yards allowed. We somehow managed to regress from the previous year; had that been suggested prior to the season, I guarantee this board would've unanimously shot it down simply because Saleh > Gregg.

Not at all insinuating we should've been good, but clearly we didn't play above expectations either, we actually got worse. To be considered a great offensive or defensive coach, it's fair to expect results in excess of talent. There's literally no way to argue Saleh did that, given we were the worst defense in the league AND the group he inherited took a step back. All that being said, I don't think of it as being a huge knock against him, his focus was elsewhere in that "CEO" role. I would be more critical if he didn't bring that to the table.    

There is no doubt the D regressed. But I attribute that more to scheme change and younger players. I’ll just stick with the secondary only because I believe Saleh had them over performing relative to the rest of the D. In 2020, we had poor but experienced players. Poole was OK but the rest sucked. We were 27 in passing yds allowed and 28 in TD allowed. In 2021 with two rookies and a second year player we were in 30 in yds allowed and 20 in TD. We regressed in one area and improved in another.

The fact that 2 of our 3 starting CB’s are presumably being replaced tells me Saleh was doing his best with less than stellar talent.

The D as a whole took a back step. No doubt. But again, lack of talent and scheme change. Couple that with almost all our DE’s missing the season and you get what we got.

Don’t get me wrong, this D was an embarrassment. But Saleh wasn’t the culprit. Could he have employed a scheme to fit the players we did have? Perhaps. But, again, to what end? Win an extra game? Be ranked a spot or two higher?  In the end, this whole team needed to be torn down and rebuilt. JD and Saleh did the best they could. Now we should see if it worked.

[KingOfNewYork]

Saleh's mishaps are not about the ranking the team had statistically. 

Slow starts, poor game plans, lack of in game adjustments, poor calls in key spots, communication breakdowns, etc...

As a team we were poor in all these spots and good teams are not, good coaches don't fail in some many of these spots. 

Saleh can do better next year, I expect him to but there's a reason we lost 13 games and he was a huge part of it.

It starts at the top, it starts with him.

[KimuraGod]

Personally if could describe my thoughts on our last four coaches: 

Rex;

Pros;

Players coach.

Got the best out of his squad.

Always had a competitive defense.

Likeable guy off/on the field. 
 

Cons; 

Too concentrated on one side of the ball. 

Poor in game management. 

Never adjusted for specific game matchups which meant we would become very much predicable. 

 

Bowles;

Pros; 

Players played hard for him and seemed to like him. 

Defense was competitive for the most part. 
 

Cons; 

No personality. 

Focused too much on the defense. 

Terrible in game management. 

 

Gase;

Pros; 

Had a great offensive start to most games. First series we always looked competent. 

………………. Made @KingOfNewYorkhappy?!? 🤷🏻‍♂️
 

Cons;

Dreadful personality

Played older vets for no reason and didn’t want to develop the younger guys. 

Terrible in game management.

No motions on offense all based around basic formations. 

Never produced on the fly. 

Players didn’t like him. 
 

So as we have all seen there’s been not a lot of success for Saleh to be compared to. Therefore making his job easier.

Yet last year was so bad at times it was unwatchable. Defensively I have never witnessed a worse team.

We heard all about all gas no brake and that just wasn’t reflective in the team. 
 

I stand by my thoughts at the time that Saleh was not the man for the job. I said then I’d hope I’d be wrong and I stand by that. I really wanted a proven college coach like David Shaw etc who’d shown they can build a program. I really hope Saleh can improve this year because unless we get hit  terribly with the injury bug he really doesn’t have any excuses. 

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by KimuraGod

[NYJets4716]

Saleh isn't on the hot seat regardless, the organization went all in on a full blown rebuild with Saleh and Douglas.   He will get at least 3-4 years here. The only reason Gase was fired so quickly was because he was toxic. Players didn't like him, the organization looked dysfunctional with him, and he was super stubborn. Like playing a 40 year old RB for no reason.  At least Saleh isn't afraid of playing young players, even if it means you have the amount of miscommunication and mistakes that comes with it.  

 

 

So our secondary. Sauce Gardner #1, DJ Reed #4, Jordan Whitehead #6. 

Edited May 10, 2022 by NYJets4716

[KingOfNewYork]

50 minutes ago, NYJets4716 said:

Saleh isn't on the hot seat regardless, the organization went all in on a full blown rebuild with Saleh and Douglas.   He will get at least 3-4 years here. The only reason Gase was fired so quickly was because he was toxic. Players didn't like him, the organization looked dysfunctional with him, and he was super stubborn. Like playing a 40 year old RB for no reason.  At least Saleh isn't afraid of playing young players, even if it means you have the amount of miscommunication and mistakes that comes with it.  

 

 

So our secondary. Sauce Gardner #1, DJ Reed #4, Jordan Whitehead #6. 

I'm going to continuously reply every time you spew that garbage. Was Gase supposed to play Perine? Same Perine who Saleh didn't play? Not so toxic, dysfunctional or stubborn. 

And again no one said he was on the hot seat, we said he coached poorly last season. He failed the team period. You make a million excuses for him but the other coach had to turn the crap he was dealt into something of quality. 

[KingOfNewYork]

Gase's two seasons he got blamed for literally everything that went wrong with the team, Saleh didn't get a single ounce of criticism for his coaching. First it was LaFluer and Zach getting the brunt of the blame and then Ulbrich, well deserved, got his fair share of criticism. 

So Rex can win 6 games or 4 games and get criticized, Bowles can win 5 games and 4 games and get criticized, Gase can win 7 games and 2 games and get criticized but Saleh wins 4 and because he's a likable guy nothing he does is wrong. Him not preparing the team isn't an issue because he's likable. Him not making sure MLF communicates to Zach the ball goes to Berrios "no matter what" on a crucial 4th down to win a game is not an issue because the team is "young".

Give me a damn break. 

[Bobby816]

How are we still talking about Adam Freakin Gase?

[KingOfNewYork]

19 minutes ago, Bobby816 said:

How are we still talking about Adam Freakin Gase?

Because I'm toxic, dysfunctional and stubborn.

[KingOfNewYork]

Oops...I meant he's

Or did I

[jetfuel34]

2 hours ago, NYJets4716 said:

Saleh isn't on the hot seat regardless, the organization went all in on a full blown rebuild with Saleh and Douglas.   He will get at least 3-4 years here. The only reason Gase was fired so quickly was because he was toxic. Players didn't like him, the organization looked dysfunctional with him, and he was super stubborn. Like playing a 40 year old RB for no reason.  At least Saleh isn't afraid of playing young players, even if it means you have the amount of miscommunication and mistakes that comes with it.  

 

 

So our secondary. Sauce Gardner #1, DJ Reed #4, Jordan Whitehead #6. 

I would be careful here. Saleh was suppose to be this big D guy and he produced the worse D in Jets history. He has a lot of tools to work with and if he is not in the playoff hunt this year he could be gone. If he puts up a 5-12 or something like that and Wilson does not improve I could see him gone. JD is the one that is not in the hot seat. This guy is putting young talent all over this team. The Jets have had this in the past and the coaches did not produce by coaching these guys. Saleh in my book is not a good coach until he gets W 's on the board and that is a fact. I think Saleh and Wilson are the 2 biggest ? on this team. 

[NYJets4716]

2 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said:

I'm going to continuously reply every time you spew that garbage. Was Gase supposed to play Perine? Same Perine who Saleh didn't play? Not so toxic, dysfunctional or stubborn. 

And again no one said he was on the hot seat, we said he coached poorly last season. He failed the team period. You make a million excuses for him but the other coach had to turn the crap he was dealt into something of quality. 

Because you ignore other responsibilities of a HC, you act like they don't exist. That the only stat that matters for Saleh is the defense. Saleh wasn't hired to be a DC, if we wanted just a coordinator as the HC we probably would have hired a offensive minded coach as that is where the NFL is. They hired Saleh for leadership, his vision for a football team was aligned with the GM, his communication skills, his motivation skills, and positivity to change a culture that is extremely negative and about losing. These were all things that Gase failed at and why he was fired so quickly.  I never compared W/L  or team statistics, because frankly I don't care. All I originally said was that Saleh had a extremely difficult coaching situation and you jumped all over me saying that is false that he had some ideal situation and then brought up Gase like hes your uncle.  Even Joe Douglas acknowledged that the coaching job asked of the staff last season was impossible, the injuries, the amount of rookies starting, it's extremely difficult to evaluate those things. But everything else I mentioned holds true, we'll see in 3 years if the wins start coming. 

ANd yes, Gase could have played Ty Johnson or anyone else but a 40 year old RB that had no future with the team. He didn't even care to evaluate young guys. At least Saleh isn't afraid of going through the growing pains with rookies, which there are almost always growing pains.  Its not usual asking 10 rookies to start. 

[NYJets4716]

2 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said:

Gase's two seasons he got blamed for literally everything that went wrong with the team, Saleh didn't get a single ounce of criticism for his coaching. First it was LaFluer and Zach getting the brunt of the blame and then Ulbrich, well deserved, got his fair share of criticism. 

So Rex can win 6 games or 4 games and get criticized, Bowles can win 5 games and 4 games and get criticized, Gase can win 7 games and 2 games and get criticized but Saleh wins 4 and because he's a likable guy nothing he does is wrong. Him not preparing the team isn't an issue because he's likable. Him not making sure MLF communicates to Zach the ball goes to Berrios "no matter what" on a crucial 4th down to win a game is not an issue because the team is "young".

Give me a damn break. 

Wow man, you are taking it way too personal. Is Gase your relative or something?