The 2023 Draft Thread - We're picking #7

[Humble_Beast]

54 minutes ago, big_palooka said:

This is hilarious. You've spent the last 3 months bashing McDaniel's for hurting your Fresno boys feelings, now you're all in on trusting him to develop an extremely raw QB in a star?

The Autumn wind sure is blowing all directions with this one. 

If he can’t get the job done, fire him and get a Richardson system. 

[Humble_Beast]

43 minutes ago, Darbsk said:

I like Kancey, Morris (though you’ve got him twice), Vorhees and Scott I just think Richardson is very, very risky. If we went QB at 7 I’d prefer Levis and he’s a risk also.

fixed * … I want to like Levis but it’s hard. I think they have similar issues but Richardson has more potential. He’s 3 years younger, bigger, faster, and more athletic. Richardson will be a top3 athlete at his position in Day1. Richardson has the highest ceiling in the draft 

[BobbyPhil1781]

4 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said:

. Richardson has the highest ceiling in the draft 

And a floor that is that of an undrafted QB. He's a lot closer to the floor than anything else right now as well

[NYRaider]

On 2/17/2023 at 4:25 AM, Darbsk said:

Well, we simply don't know. Mayfield has had a run of games over a few seasons and we can judge him reasonably, but Stidham is still relatively unknown after only 2 competitive games so no way anyone can say that with certainty.

Based on that logic Brittain Brown might be better than Josh Jacobs, we just haven't seen it yet. The Patriots reportedly viewed him as a potential QBOTF when they drafted him in 2019 but he couldn't beat out Cam Newton for the starting job and was pretty terrible in the limited time that he played. They decided to draft Mac Jones the following year in the 1st round and then Stidham failed to beat out Hoyer for the 2nd string job. The Patriots then decided that a 7th round pick was a good enough return to part ways with him. Stidham looks like a solid backup but the new regime has been with him his entire career and continuously chosen other guys over him as the starter and the backup.

 

On 2/16/2023 at 4:35 PM, Humble_Beast said:

Idk. I’ll rather have Baker or Darnold for cheap then Jimmy G. Still downgrades to DC, but lower salary to QB and build up the defense 

I'd be fine with Baker but lord help us if we get Sam Darnold.

[jimkelly02]

3 hours ago, BobbyPhil1781 said:

And a floor that is that of an undrafted QB. He's a lot closer to the floor than anything else right now as well

Wasnt Richardson benched this year?  It’s more likely then not Richardson never reaches his potential IMO.  That’s too much of a risk for a top 20 pick IMO.

[jimkelly02]

2 hours ago, NYRaider said:

I'd be fine with Baker but lord help us if we get Sam Darnold.

If we don’t get Rodgers, Baker Mayfield is my #1 QB if we go the veteran route.  Jimmy G is just a bad idea IMO if he costs anything more then 10M.  30m for Jimmy G is just an insane idea.  I’d gladly pay Baker 8-9M.  He’s not likely to be the long term QB but he’s not bad and at least exciting.

[NYRaider]

6 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

If we don’t get Rodgers, Baker Mayfield is my #1 QB if we go the veteran route.  Jimmy G is just a bad idea IMO if he costs anything more then 10M.  30m for Jimmy G is just an insane idea.  I’d gladly pay Baker 8-9M.  He’s not likely to be the long term QB but he’s not bad and at least exciting.

I'm kind of warming up to the idea of Mac Jones.

[ronjon1990]

2 hours ago, NYRaider said:

I'd be fine with Baker but lord help us if we get Sam Darnold.

If we took on Darnold, I'd probably sit the year out lol. 

Frankly, if we're going the bridge route, I think we're more or less admitting defeat on the 2023 season. 

In that case, give me someone that could at least digest the playbook and do enough to keep our guys on offense from falling stagnant for a year. 

Case Keenum, Cooper Rush, Mike White, or even maybe take a stab at Drew Lock. All cheaper options, none of whom we'd have to worry about out-dueling a room next year a'la Old Man Jeff Garcia (with the exception of Lock IF he somehow put it all together). 

Nothing exciting but nothing I see being wholly detrimental either. At least Keenum, Rush, and White have shown the general ability to manage things and keep the wheels from totally falling off. 

 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said:

If we took on Darnold, I'd probably sit the year out lol. 

Frankly, if we're going the bridge route, I think we're more or less admitting defeat on the 2023 season. 

In that case, give me someone that could at least digest the playbook and do enough to keep our guys on offense from falling stagnant for a year. 

Case Keenum, Cooper Rush, Mike White, or even maybe take a stab at Drew Lock. All cheaper options, none of whom we'd have to worry about out-dueling a room next year a'la Old Man Jeff Garcia (with the exception of Lock IF he somehow put it all together). 

Nothing exciting but nothing I see being wholly detrimental either. At least Keenum, Rush, and White have shown the general ability to manage things and keep the wheels from totally falling off. 

Darnold would be the absolute worst case scenario for me too, lol. 

I think at this point if it's not Aaron Rodgers we're probably just punting the 2023 season. Jimmy G will likely cost just as much as Carr and is a downgrade, I doubt the Pats are trading Mac, and basically everyone else is a downgrade. I think Young/Stroud are off the board by #4 at the very latest and I'm not a fan of the idea of trading away future 1sts to move up for either of them. 

If we're going to go the bridge route I'd be cool with Mike White, Drew Lock, or Baker Mayfield. 

[jimkelly02]

49 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I'm kind of warming up to the idea of Mac Jones.

I wouldn’t mind him… I guess if he’s a possibility he’s my #2, assuming he doesn’t cost more then a 3rd.  To me he’s a young, cheap bridge QB that could make it as the long term guy.  But then again if Billicheck trades him away I’d defer to his judgement on that probability.  Nonetheless, if the cost is low I see no reason why not to make the move.  You got 2 cheap years and the option.  I think it’s enough to keep Adams, Waller, Renfrow happy and you can draft a mid round guy to develop next year if you want or even a 1st round QB.  Your not locked into him.

[jimkelly02]

46 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I think Young/Stroud are off the board by #4 at the very latest and I'm not a fan of the idea of trading away future 1sts to move up for either of them. 

If we're going to go the bridge route I'd be cool with Mike White, Drew Lock, or Baker Mayfield. 

Trading a future 1st to move up just CAN NOT be an option.   

[NYRaider]

26 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

Trading a future 1st to move up just CAN NOT be an option.   

To get to #1/2 we'd definitely have to trade #7/#35 and probably our FRP/2RP in 2024. 

That's also why I'm kind of just like screw it with Rodgers. It'll cost #7 + more to move up for Stroud or Young. If we're sitting put at #7 and we're going to take Richardson/Levis, I'd literally rather have Rodgers for 1-3 years than draft either one of them.

Edited February 21 by NYRaider

[jimkelly02]

Two plus people have said if we don’t get Rodgers we’re basically punting on the ‘23 season… which is pretty much an obvious statement I feel.

but if we’re going into ‘23 knowing we’re going to be picking at the top of the draft next year… I think we just have to trade away Adams, Waller, Renfrow, yay and trade Jacobs, and Chandler Jones (or ideally you trade him for a late pick and agree to pay his salary because you’d be paying the same if you cut him…. I think a vet minimum Chandler Jones is worth a 5th in ‘24), James, Bolden, and Nichols.  In the trades it’d be good to get some ‘24 picks as part of compensation, ie a ‘24 2nd instead of a ‘23 3rd.

You clear up the cap, roll a ton over to ‘24, the only moderately above league minimum FAs you sign are young guys coming off rookies deals and you do the Reggie McKenzie front load but more extreme… example: Sign Ben Powers to 4yrs, 28M with cap hits of 12M, 2M, 7M, 7M.  You can even move up some ‘24 money for Miller and Crosby. 

You build the OL + DL up.  Then in in ‘24 you draft Williams/Maye and pair him with a WR early.

I just don’t see any reason to keep Adams and Waller if we’re going to wait to draft a QB in ‘24.  Their trade value drop and at 31 years old in ‘24-26 they’ll likely be gone when while our franchise QB is ascending and cheap.

I just think you gotta commit to something and go all out: trade for Rodgers and go all in for 2 years or blow it completely up and pick #1 in ‘24 but get your franchise QB with a young, solid core of players and add your FAs then.

[NYRaider]

21 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

Two plus people have said if we don’t get Rodgers we’re basically punting on the ‘23 season… which is pretty much an obvious statement I feel.

but if we’re going into ‘23 knowing we’re going to be picking at the top of the draft next year… I think we just have to trade away Adams, Waller, Renfrow, yay and trade Jacobs, and Chandler Jones (or ideally you trade him for a late pick and agree to pay his salary because you’d be paying the same if you cut him…. I think a vet minimum Chandler Jones is worth a 5th in ‘24), James, Bolden, and Nichols.  In the trades it’d be good to get some ‘24 picks as part of compensation, ie a ‘24 2nd instead of a ‘23 3rd.

You clear up the cap, roll a ton over to ‘24, the only moderately above league minimum FAs you sign are young guys coming off rookies deals and you do the Reggie McKenzie front load but more extreme… example: Sign Ben Powers to 4yrs, 28M with cap hits of 12M, 2M, 7M, 7M.  You can even move up some ‘24 money for Miller and Crosby. 

You build the OL + DL up.  Then in in ‘24 you draft Williams/Maye and pair him with a WR early.

I just don’t see any reason to keep Adams and Waller if we’re going to wait to draft a QB in ‘24.  Their trade value drop and at 31 years old in ‘24-26 they’ll likely be gone when while our franchise QB is ascending and cheap.

I just think you gotta commit to something and go all out: trade for Rodgers and go all in for 2 years or blow it completely up and pick #1 in ‘24 but get your franchise QB with a young, solid core of players and add your FAs then.

I agree, if we're going to suck, then let's try to suck as much as we can. Unfortunately I don't see that happening even if we miss on Rodgers, they'll try to salvage it and we'll likely be too good for a top 5 pick but not good enough to make the playoffs. 

Put me in the trade for Rodgers camp though, I'd like to see him play with our weapons, I really think we could have the best offense in the league next year.

[jimkelly02]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

I agree, if we're going to suck, then let's try to suck as much as we can. Unfortunately I don't see that happening even if we miss on Rodgers, they'll try to salvage it and we'll likely be too good for a top 5 pick but not good enough to make the playoffs. 

Put me in the trade for Rodgers camp though, I'd like to see him play with our weapons, I really think we could have the best offense in the league next year.

Yeah…. The worst thing we could do is be a 6-8 Win team with some schmuck like Jimmy G.  If we’re rebuilding We’d have to be giving McD a pass on the ‘23 season if he at least showed some signs of progress.  That’s the other issue…. We got a HC that could be on the hot seat in ‘23 (I think he’s trash and should be fired this moment, but that’s another story) and you really shouldn’t draft a QB and fire the HC after his rookie year.  I think most new coaching candidates would be happy to take on Williams/Drake but it’s not good for the QBs development and how can you PROPERLY build up the core around the Rookie QB when your changing the entire coaching staff over.  You get into the whole “draft zone blocking OLmen and then hire a new power blocking OL coach, draft press corners and hire a new Zone coverage DC”.  We’ve done that for 2 decades and seen the pitiful results.  You’d have to hire a new staff that runs systems consistent to our current staff or ignore the warning signs and proceed with McD.