Bolts223 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Question in the title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Yes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 He'd definitely be one of the bigger busts in modern draft history because everyone knew that he was essentially a lock to go #1 since he was in HS. I have some faith that Pederson can help him take a step forward like he did with Wentz though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Bolts223 said: Question in the title I also think that Herbert's early success has put a lot more pressure on coaches, GM's, and top QB prospects. Herbert is basically what Lawrence was supposed to be and is basically the standard of what an elite QB should look like early on in their career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 guy walked into about as big of a disaster as any rookie QB ever has. i'm honestly treating this upcoming season as his rookie year and going from there. i'd say he gets at least this year *and* the next before i start throwing the "bust" label around unless he's just otherworldly bad this year, which i do not expect. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 No. It would only be his first 2 years. Too many of you are so quick to call a QB a bust after 1 bad season and just as quick to label them a "franchise QB" after 1 good one. How many more examples of Shaub, Foles, Wentz, Tannehill, Cousins, Winston, Mayfield, Flacco, Cam, Dalton, etc do you people need to see before you start realizing that it takes more than a year or two to judge a QB --(good or bad). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 He was always overrated as a prospect 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 If he does bust, and I’m not saying he is even looking likely to at the moment, but if he does; one of the greatest ever. The absolute certainty that most fans had with him being a star was shared with only a few prospects in recent history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 I guess he would be on the Ryan leaf level of bust(minus the personal stuff leaf was dealing with) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, NYRaider said: I also think that Herbert's early success has put a lot more pressure on coaches, GM's, and top QB prospects. Herbert is basically what Lawrence was supposed to be and is basically the standard of what an elite QB should look like early on in their career. 9 hours ago, -Hope- said: guy walked into about as big of a disaster as any rookie QB ever has. i'm honestly treating this upcoming season as his rookie year and going from there. i'd say he gets at least this year *and* the next before i start throwing the "bust" label around unless he's just otherworldly bad this year, which i do not expect. To be fair it doesn't help that across the division, Davis Mills walked into a situation many expected to be even worse than the Jaguars going into last season, and at least had some semblance of encouraging play. I get the supporting cast argument but Trevor Lawrence also played bad last year and I think that gets lost a lot when people have these discussions about him Edited May 18, 2022 by Ray Reed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 9 hours ago, -Hope- said: guy walked into about as big of a disaster as any rookie QB ever has. 9 hours ago, -Hope- said: i'm honestly treating this upcoming season as his rookie year and going from there. i'd say he gets at least this year *and* the next before i start throwing the "bust" label around unless he's just otherworldly bad this year, which i do not expect. I'm fine with this entire take. However, it's always been amusing to me who does and does not get the benefit of the doubt after 2-3 years. *Note* I've always been a bit skeptical of Baker, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but the situations are borderline identical. Inept and meddling ownership: Check Historically awful HC with major issues: Check AWFUL to nonexistent core/surrounding roster: Check Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 Probably top 5. This isn't your average number 1 overall pick. Trevor Lawrence has been anointed the best thing since sliced bread since he was in high school. He then backed all that up from day 1 in college. If he makes no improvement next year, he's around the Russell/Leaf tier, especially considering that Lawrence has no severe off-field hinderances like Leaf or Russell did (that we know of, at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Ray Reed said: To be fair it doesn't help that across the division, Davis Mills walked into a situation many expected to be even worse than the Jaguars going into last season, and at least had some semblance of encouraging play. I get the supporting cast argument but Trevor Lawrence also played bad last year and I think that gets lost a lot when people have these discussions about him You’re not wrong, but in all fairness, Urban Meyer was infinitely worse than anyone expected… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 53 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: You’re not wrong, but in all fairness, Urban Meyer was infinitely worse than anyone expected… True. Dave Culley - from a pure on-field coaching perspective, though -wasn't far behind https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2021/09/20/texans-browns-david-culley-fourth-down-decision Quote Early in the second quarter, Houston was faced with a third-and-15 from its own 38 yard line. Taylor found Brandin Cooks for a 13-yard gain, setting up fourth-and-2 from the Cleveland 49. But the Texans were thrown a potential lifeline. Browns defensive end Takk McKinley had jumped offsides on the play, meaning the Texans could have another shot at picking up the first on a third-and-10, or they could decline the penalty and roll the dice on fourth-and-2 from midfield. Culley picked a shocking third option. He declined the penalty—and then punted. It went for a touchback All time lmao 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ray Reed said: True. Dave Culley - from a pure on-field coaching perspective, though -wasn't far behind https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2021/09/20/texans-browns-david-culley-fourth-down-decision All time lmao I watched the Browns back in 2012 lose to the Colts (I watched this in person) 17-13 and punt from the Colts 41 yard line with 6:38 left in the game, in the 4th Quarter https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay?gameId=321021011 ...AND THEY CALLED A TIMEOUT FIRST. So with the game on the line needing a TD to win, after recovering/forcing a fumble, they punted the ball 21 yards after calling a Timeout...when they were 1-6 and had nothing to lose...great stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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