Luke Getsy's Running and Passing Schemes

[BeaReylo]

 

Very dense and detailed analysis on The Bears new offensive coordinator.  Throughout the presentation Stephen Letizia, the creator of these videos, uses game footage from Getsy time in PukeGreen Bay and under Moorehead.  Both are very long but give a thorough hypothesis on what Chicago's new offense may look like.

Edited May 19, 2022 by FosterTheSkins

[JAF-N72EX]

Good post.  A few things that stood out when watching the 2nd video.

1) Someone should tell this guy when Manning used to say "Omaha" that it had nothing to do with the Omaha concept whatsoever. That would be too easy. Peyton was one of the smartest players in history and would never use such a simple hint to tip the defense of WR routes. It's was just him calling a last second audible and telling them to hurry up because the clock was running.  For some QBs the "omaho" call just means same play "opposite" side. But as a coach once said there is no universal language in football.

2) Lafluer doesn't run a lot of plays from shotgun but what scares me is the amount of 5-7 step drops when he does. These are long developing plays and we don't have the Packers OL or a demanding WR like Adams to take pressure off either.  Rodgers literally gets 5-10 seconds to throw the ball on a regular basis and I'm afraid this could get Fields into trouble. And even though his legs are more of a weapon than Rodgers at this point he isn't going to get far when he has to start running 7-10 yards behind the LOS. 

3) To piggyback off #2, Mooney being the only guy we have on the roster who is capable of running a lot of those deep routes from the slot is going to severely limit the playbook and tip the defense. Pringle maybe but he isn't scaring anyone deep.  I also strongly disagree with him about Velus. He isn't going to be ready right out the gate. His route running isn't there and this isn't college....this is the pros where he's going to have to fight off press coverage trying to knock him off his routes.

4) A lot of what is shown in the video is against man-coverage and that isn't just based on offensive scheme and formation either. This is the respect Rodgers gets because he's that damn good. DCs know they can't just beat Rodgers in zone coverage and wait for him to make a mistake because he'll pick it apart so they count on their defense to beat his WRs one on one. This is why JJ shadowed Adams last year in a 2 deep safety look.  I know the video he's using is from 2020 but nothing changed in 2021 either. The Packers offense faced man coverage the 5th most in the league (32%) and least amount of zone coverage (45%) which is again is not based on scheme but respect. By comparison, Lefluer (and Getsy's) come from Shanny/McVay's tree and their offenses with JG and Stafford only faced man coverage 25% and 23% of the time.

The point is, what the person is showing in the video may sound good in theory but Getsy doesn't have Rodgers + great OL + great WRs anymore and he can't count on facing man coverage all day like he saw in GB. Getsy is going to have to be more creative in his design and these WRs are gonna have to create separation while the OL gives Fields time.

[Bfan]

 

15 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Good post.  A few things that stood out when watching the 2nd video.

1) Someone should tell this guy when Manning used to say "Omaha" that it had nothing to do with the Omaha concept whatsoever. That would be too easy. Peyton was one of the smartest players in history and would never use such a simple hint to tip the defense of WR routes. It's was just him calling a last second audible and telling them to hurry up because the clock was running.  For some QBs the "omaho" call just means same play "opposite" side. But as a coach once said there is no universal language in football.

2) Lafluer doesn't run a lot

The point is, what the person is showing in the video may sound good in theory but Getsy doesn't have Rodgers + great OL + great WRs anymore and he can't count on facing man coverage all day like he saw in GB. Getsy is going to have to be more creative in his design and these WRs are gonna have to create separation while the OL gives Fields time.

The hope would be that Getsy understands the limitations of his personal and adjusts. If he does then we got a good one.  If he doesn't we look for who is next.  If that is all we have to do we consider it an improvement.  This rinse and repeat  cycle of starting over every 3 or 4 year as is getting old.

[dll2000]

You have to do dummy calls and real calls and change what they mean from time to time.  Players and coaches change teams and they have broadcast film, mikes, etc.  

Funny that even with that a lot of times teams keep most of same calls.   You just have to say it enough when you aren't doing that thing to keep teams honest.  

Most teams don't give a crap if you know their protection scheme calls for example.  They do them anyway.   For example, Razor or Rip or Randy or Red or any R word means slide or move protection right - not exactly an unbreakable code. 

Many QBs openly call out Mike.  Why?  To set the blocking count on protections.  When you identify the Mike it usually tells the line who the Will is and that is where they are moving their protection.   So they know which 5 guys they are primarily responsible for in the scheme and who the back and/or QB is responsible for.  It can also be slid to the Mike and that just means the Will is identified as the Mike.   Identifying the Will or Mike LB is not difficult vast majority of time.   Not sure why media frets about a rookie center or QB learning that particular skill.  Takes about 15 - 30 minutes for a reasonably intelligent person to learn looking at pictures of various fronts.   

Note the defense knows who their Mike is too.  

Football is not the rocket science some think it is when you break it down.  Remember these guys are not all brilliant.  The goal of blocking is to get a hat on a hat and right hat on right hat.    Easier said than done in practice because defenders move.  Remember also that 5 guys can only block 5 guys and 6 only 6 and so on.  If they send 6 and you are blocking with 5 the 6th guy isn't getting blocked.  It's football math which isn't calculus.  You just never want to give up the A or B gap free.   

Or some line schemes they have line combo calls to make it crystal clear to line who is blocking who, for example a gator call by center could mean G/C combo shade to LB playside and T knows he is on his own, but if you work together enough you can discard them as they know who their combos are vast majority of time or they should. 

I don't really see why you would need those at pro level for long unless something funky was happening on defense.   Like Jets were doing Amoeba defense for a bit in Ryan era. 

 

[JAF-N72EX]

9 hours ago, Bfan said:

 

The hope would be that Getsy understands the limitations of his personal and adjusts. If he does then we got a good one.  If he doesn't we look for who is next.  If that is all we have to do we consider it an improvement.  This rinse and repeat  cycle of starting over every 3 or 4 year as is getting old.

If Getsy really wants to get creative then a few plays like this would be a good start

 

The OL isn't asked to do much, it provides plenty of options, and we have a good roster fit for it.  Assuming Mooney/Velus can make that pitch.

Line up 3x1 set. Show stretch gun. Motion with Mooney or Velus (guys who can create plays in open space). Option with either 4.3 Herbert or 4.3 Ebner. Best outside blocker for contain.

Unfortunately, fair not, starting over every 4-5 years is becoming more of the norm as new staff tie themselves to the QB playing on a rookie deal. Hopefully we have to discuss this in this future though. I'm skeptical of Getsy but knowing the coaching tree he comes from helps ease that skepticism a bit too.

 

Edited May 21, 2022 by JAF-N72EX

[Bfan]

If it works I would get excited if they started using the "T" formation!  Key point is that it works.

Edited May 21, 2022 by Bfan

[JAF-N72EX]

9 hours ago, Bfan said:

If it works I would get excited if they started using the "T" formation!  Key point is that it works.

Haha. I hear that.  I don't care how it works just as long as it works.

[dll2000]

On 5/20/2022 at 10:08 PM, JAF-N72EX said:

If Getsy really wants to get creative then a few plays like this would be a good start

 

The OL isn't asked to do much, it provides plenty of options, and we have a good roster fit for it.  Assuming Mooney/Velus can make that pitch.

Line up 3x1 set. Show stretch gun. Motion with Mooney or Velus (guys who can create plays in open space). Option with either 4.3 Herbert or 4.3 Ebner. Best outside blocker for contain.

Unfortunately, fair not, starting over every 4-5 years is becoming more of the norm as new staff tie themselves to the QB playing on a rookie deal. Hopefully we have to discuss this in this future though. I'm skeptical of Getsy but knowing the coaching tree he comes from helps ease that skepticism a bit too.

 

LOL.  NFL used to make fun of this as beneath them.  

This has been run in college and hs football for decades now.  Much longer from under center.  Holtz tried to do it with Jets and failed miserable. 

Chip Kelly deserves a lot of credit for normalizing a lot college plays and concepts as doable at NFL level if done right way with other things and not just doable, preferable at times. 

Andy Reid gets credit for incorporating and blending many of concepts into Bill Walsh west coast system to make it more workable.  Nagy never really got ideas and theories at same level as Reid so he couldn’t adapt on fly or to personnel.  Reid talked about this one time in an interview, not Nagy but that he took from Kelly.

Nagy also didn’t understand how to properly adjust to circumstances/defense, teach and emphasize the execution in practice, not the same as knowing it on a board.  The X and Os are people not dry erase marker.  

Edited May 22, 2022 by dll2000
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[JAF-N72EX]

On 5/22/2022 at 10:44 AM, dll2000 said:

LOL.  NFL used to make fun of this as beneath them.  

This has been run in college and hs football for decades now.  Much longer from under center.  Holtz tried to do it with Jets and failed miserable. 

Chip Kelly deserves a lot of credit for normalizing a lot college plays and concepts as doable at NFL level if done right way with other things and not just doable, preferable at times. 

Andy Reid gets credit for incorporating and blending many of concepts into Bill Walsh west coast system to make it more workable.  Nagy never really got ideas and theories at same level as Reid so he couldn’t adapt on fly or to personnel.  Reid talked about this one time in an interview, not Nagy but that he took from Kelly.

Nagy also didn’t understand how to properly adjust to circumstances/defense, teach and emphasize the execution in practice, not the same as knowing it on a board.  The X and Os are people not dry erase marker.  

Yup. Nagy failed at making any sort of adjustments. To his credit, his script plays were alright and he did have his guys prepped for them for the most part but he was completely lost after those script plays ran dry.

[G08]

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/06/17/kyle-shanahans-play-action-scheme/

I sincerely hope this is what we are doing this season. Forget having Allen Robinson, if you execute your assignment and make sure to sell run on every single PA, you will find explosives.

[JAF-N72EX]

3 hours ago, G08 said:

https://weeklyspiral.com/2021/06/17/kyle-shanahans-play-action-scheme/

I sincerely hope this is what we are doing this season. Forget having Allen Robinson, if you execute your assignment and make sure to sell run on every single PA, you will find explosives.

I think we will see a lot of plays derived from Shanny's scheme.

FWIW

Lafluer:  61% Shotgun // 39% Under Center // 76% Zone run // 53% pre-snap motion (6th in the league) // 29% Play Action
Shanny: 59% Shotgun // 39% Under Center // 84% Zone run // 74% pre-snap motion (1st by large margin) // 29% Play Action

[Madmike90]

So let’s do more of this.

[Sugashane]

3 hours ago, Madmike90 said:

So let’s do more of this.

19 designed rollouts was all that were actually called? Holy crap. 

[JAF-N72EX]

8 hours ago, Sugashane said:

19 designed rollouts was all that were actually called? Holy crap. 

He did the same thing to Mitch too.  In 2017 Mitch's greatest asset was his ability to throw on the run and then Nagy came in and all of it went away.

Among other problems, Nagy's biggest issue was mishandling of talent and playing to their weaknesses instead of their strengths. Evidence #146,432 as to why he was terrible.

Speaking of how bad Nagy was. A few weeks ago I was doing some research to see what the longest down and distance ever was for the Bears and Nagy's offense made the list twice in the top 4 longest in history on record, and the only coach to have a 1st and 40 and a 2nd and 40.

Sequence in order

10/09/1988  CHI @ DET  47 yards to go

• 1st and 10: 0 yard run
• 2nd and 10: 11 yard sack
• 3rd and 21: Bad snap and fumble (26 yard loss)
• 4th and 47: Punt
   

11/29/1992    CHI @ CLE   43 yards to go

• 1st and 10: 1 yard run
• 2nd and 9: Low block penalty (15 yard loss)
• 2nd and 24: 4 yard sack
• 3rd and 28: Delay of game (5 yard loss)
• 3rd and 33: Holding (10 yard loss)
• 4th and 43: Punt

09/13/2020  CHI @ DET  41 yards to go

• 1st and 10: Run for 2 yards
• 2nd and 8: Delay of game (5 yard loss)
• 2nd and 13: Pass incomplete
• 3rd and 13: 28 yard sack
• 4th and 41: Punt

 

09/05/2019  CHI vs GB   40 yards to go

• 1st and 10: Holding (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 20: Illegal use of hands (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 30: OPI (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 40: Incomplete pass
• 2nd and 40: Incomplete pass
• 3rd and 40: 9 yard pass
• 4th and 33: Punt

 

11/02/1997 CHI vs WAS  4th and 40
09/18/1983 CHI @ NO  3rd and 40
11/23/1980 CHI @ ATL  4th and 40

 

[Sugashane]

8 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said:

He did the same thing to Mitch too.  In 2017 Mitch's greatest asset was his ability to throw on the run and then Nagy came in and all of it went away.

Among other problems, Nagy's biggest issue was mishandling of talent and playing to their weaknesses instead of their strengths. Evidence #146,432 as to why he was terrible.

Speaking of how bad Nagy was. A few weeks ago I was doing some research to see what the longest down and distance ever was for the Bears and Nagy's offense made the list twice in the top 4 longest in history on record, and the only coach to have a 1st and 40 and a 2nd and 40.

Sequence in order

10/09/1988  CHI @ DET  47 yards to go

• 1st and 10: 0 yard run
• 2nd and 10: 11 yard sack
• 3rd and 21: Bad snap and fumble (26 yard loss)
• 4th and 47: Punt
   

11/29/1992    CHI @ CLE   43 yards to go

• 1st and 10: 1 yard run
• 2nd and 9: Low block penalty (15 yard loss)
• 2nd and 24: 4 yard sack
• 3rd and 28: Delay of game (5 yard loss)
• 3rd and 33: Holding (10 yard loss)
• 4th and 43: Punt

09/13/2020  CHI @ DET  41 yards to go

• 1st and 10: Run for 2 yards
• 2nd and 8: Delay of game (5 yard loss)
• 2nd and 13: Pass incomplete
• 3rd and 13: 28 yard sack
• 4th and 41: Punt

 

09/05/2019  CHI vs GB   40 yards to go

• 1st and 10: Holding (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 20: Illegal use of hands (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 30: OPI (10 yard loss)
• 1st and 40: Incomplete pass
• 2nd and 40: Incomplete pass
• 3rd and 40: 9 yard pass
• 4th and 33: Punt

 

11/02/1997 CHI vs WAS  4th and 40
09/18/1983 CHI @ NO  3rd and 40
11/23/1980 CHI @ ATL  4th and 40

 

That's all absolutely disgusting. Pretty much all of us were bashing him for forcing Tru into a pocket QB. Over 4-6 years he should learn have developed enough that it becomes more of a constant threat than a crutch but AS he is developing? While he was already raw?

Now I know you can't do only rollouts but with Fields' athleticism (hell Tru's athleticism too) you should be doing 10-15 rollouts per game. Even when handing off the ball they should be running out to try and get the EMLOS to hesitate just even a second. With Tru you had a serious enough running threat that he could easily pop off a 15-20 yard run if he had a lane, but with Fields you're going to need a DB taking a damn good angle to chase if he gets room. Why the hell wouldn't a coach want to take advantage of that tool?

Not using their athleticism would be as stupid as trying to run BAL's offense with Brady at the helm. Use what you have!