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3 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

He should still be the HC in Miami, but...

Feels like they Kyler thing (contract, performance, injury) is really hurting the Cardinals right now

Would you want to be married to Kyler?   I wouldn't.   

He is a) not a good leader, b) has been really bad for 2nd half of last 2 full seasons, c) small and susceptible to injury, d) has a big contract, e) reportedly has an attitude problem and f) has a reputation for not working hard.

I argued against giving him extension for same reasons.  I said trade him while his value is high.  Now they are in a really bad place.  Taking over for Denver has perhaps worst place. 

I mean I would take the million+ dollar job don't get me wrong, but not if I thought I had other options where I could be more successful.

 

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18 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

I mean I would take the million+ dollar job don't get me wrong, but not if I thought I had other options where I could be more successful.

Oh, I would run away from Kyler like the plague. But I thought the appeal of one of the HC spots would overcome that

But all I can think is, they (the Bidwell's) are pushing that Kyler is part of this package and no one wants to hitch themselves to that wagon. Especially with basically a lost year to start off the tenure

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5 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

Hes still very good, and I would take him n a heartbeat, but honestly why does he come here?

To me this is by far the bigger question. If Allen is released he’ll have a dozen suitors, certainly including contending teams. Short of an extensive overpay, our chances to land him are probably not very good.

The more I think about it, the more a 1-year, fully guaranteed deal on Michael Thomas (post-release) paired with a R2/3 draft pick makes a lot of sense for us. With Mooney and Claypool already set to hit UFA next year it serves to really create a lot of competition amongst some pretty damn talented guys to see who rises to the top. I think we’re pretty sure what Mooney is, and I still think he gets extended before the season, but Claypool, Thomas and the rookie pushing each other along with a sprinkling of Velus’ speed in there gives Fields a lot to work with. The rookie gives high upside insurance against a Thomas injury (the obvious concern with him and the reason he’d probably consider a solid fully guaranteed 1-year deal in a high volume spot), and the 1-year deal for Thomas insures you’re not stuck with Thomas if he is bad, is again injured or is 4th best of the group. And, if Thomas shows to be back to being a top WR and stays healthy then he’s in house already and we can go that direction beyond 2023. 

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3 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

The more I think about it, the more a 1-year, fully guaranteed deal on Michael Thomas (post-release)

I have stated many times, I will never be upset about a 1 year deal (in any sport) because the risk is so minimal, with the upside being potentially great.

But... being in the Michael Thomas business scares the crap out of me

Now, I dont have any expectations for 2023 other than to get better, and find more long term pieces. With that, if he does flame out, it doesnt really tank the season or anything. So I wouldnt be against it. I just worry that Thomas is looking to cash in one more time, and wants a big Signing Bonus over 3/4 years. Dont want anything to do with that.

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1 minute ago, StLunatic88 said:

I have stated many times, I will never be upset about a 1 year deal (in any sport) because the risk is so minimal, with the upside being potentially great.

But... being in the Michael Thomas business scares the crap out of me

Now, I dont have any expectations for 2023 other than to get better, and find more long term pieces. With that, if he does flame out, it doesnt really tank the season or anything. So I wouldnt be against it. I just worry that Thomas is looking to cash in one more time, and wants a big Signing Bonus over 3/4 years. Dont want anything to do with that.

Oh, no doubt it scares the crap out of me too. As to him wanting a big signing bonus over multiple years, I’m sure that’s what he wants (who wouldn’t?), but after the past 3 years I think the only way he’s getting that deal again is by balling out in 2023 and staying healthy. I want no part of Thomas on a multi-year deal unless it’s just a 1-year deal masquerading as a long deal.

Even if we bring Thomas on along with a R2/3 pick like I suggested the ideal scenario there is that Claypool (5 years younger) outperforms him and merits an extension and the rookie proves to be a capable top 3 WR, rendering Thomas a short term rental from which we regain that cap space for next offseason. I like Thomas as just a piece of a multi-swing approach to trying to find at least one fully viable piece for the passing game. I don’t want to guarantee him anything more than that, and if it would take more than that to bring him on I’d rather we look elsewhere. 

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5 minutes ago, AZBearsFan said:

Even if we bring Thomas on along with a R2/3 pick like I suggested the ideal scenario there is that Claypool (5 years younger) outperforms him and merits an extension and the rookie proves to be a capable top 3 WR, rendering Thomas a short term rental from which we regain that cap space for next offseason. I like Thomas as just a piece of a multi-swing approach to trying to find at least one fully viable piece for the passing game.

I like the idea of bringing in another Vet WR, a rookie and/or Velus arent going to inspire confidence right now for 2023

And while talking Keenan Allen/Michael Thomas is much more fun than some alternatives (like DeAndre Carter who I mocked to us)  but I really do believe that they want to focus on Mooney and Claypool in 2023 to really test their mettle. To actually find a long term answer of who is going to be Fields #1 target.

Im not sure Mooney gets that extension prior to the season, because there is a big difference in paying him #2 WR money (even top end) and #1 WR money that he most likely believes he deserves, even though he hasnt proven that.

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1 hour ago, AZBearsFan said:

Oh, no doubt it scares the crap out of me too. As to him wanting a big signing bonus over multiple years, I’m sure that’s what he wants (who wouldn’t?), but after the past 3 years I think the only way he’s getting that deal again is by balling out in 2023 and staying healthy. I want no part of Thomas on a multi-year deal unless it’s just a 1-year deal masquerading as a long deal.

Even if we bring Thomas on along with a R2/3 pick like I suggested the ideal scenario there is that Claypool (5 years younger) outperforms him and merits an extension and the rookie proves to be a capable top 3 WR, rendering Thomas a short term rental from which we regain that cap space for next offseason. I like Thomas as just a piece of a multi-swing approach to trying to find at least one fully viable piece for the passing game. I don’t want to guarantee him anything more than that, and if it would take more than that to bring him on I’d rather we look elsewhere. 

I think you guys make great points in obtaining more of a WR1 but another way to boost Fields accuracy is give him a clean pocket. I look at the Lions and I see how they built the line to the point to make Goff look good. You give Justin that type of protection and he will become top 5 imo. So if we build the Oline to where it should be ,is it necessary to add an overpriced over 30 WR? Then just draft mid round WRs to build around?

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3 hours ago, Ty21 said:

Aaron Rodgers deciding his nfl future by doing a 4 day retreat in absolute darkness is the most Aaron Rodgers move ever. 

Reminds me I was just reading this last weekend:

21 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness spreads over Egypt—darkness that can be felt.” 22 So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and total darkness covered all Egypt for three days. 

A darkness you can feel.   I never realized it was worded like that.   That's scary.

 

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36 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

Reminds me I was just reading this last weekend:

21 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that darkness spreads over Egypt—darkness that can be felt.” 22 So Moses stretched out his hand toward the sky, and total darkness covered all Egypt for three days. 

A darkness you can feel.   I never realized it was worded like that.   That's scary.

 

The 40 dudes that wrote the Bible were the Stephen Kings of their time 

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3 hours ago, RTD said:

I think you guys make great points in obtaining more of a WR1 but another way to boost Fields accuracy is give him a clean pocket. I look at the Lions and I see how they built the line to the point to make Goff look good. You give Justin that type of protection and he will become top 5 imo. So if we build the Oline to where it should be ,is it necessary to add an overpriced over 30 WR? Then just draft mid round WRs to build around?

For me all of the WR stuff is secondary to building up the OL. He’s always going to be limited in what he can do as a passer when he’s got to run for his life half the snaps. We’re in a place financially why there shouldn’t be any reason we can’t do both though. 

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12 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

For me all of the WR stuff is secondary to building up the OL. He’s always going to be limited in what he can do as a passer when he’s got to run for his life half the snaps. We’re in a place financially why there shouldn’t be any reason we can’t do both though. 

Lions did it right too.  Get a good center and two good tackles.  

Passing on Chase was tough choice though.  He is really talented.  

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Also annoys me Detroit still has two first rounders this year.  I will be glad if they stick with Goff which I am starting to think they will as even Goff can look really good with a stacked team.  

But If it was me I would find a way to draft my fav qb in this draft were I them.   Especially if my fav wasn’t first one.  

I probably take the OSU guy, but he is only one I have actually seen play a full game to be honest and everyone says it was his best.   So my view is skewed.

I also don’t do the let him sit and watch Goff thing either unless I took the FL QB who way isn’t ready.  

I play him right away and trade Goff.  

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