Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 3:42 AM, The Orca said: @Karnage84 I believe has won the first pick in S25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 9:51 AM, TL-TwoWinsAway said: I mean, the part in bold is sort of key. six first round picks <<< This was kind of important at the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 44 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: One thing to keep in mind is that I had Ekwonu playing OG not OT. Goal was to keep him at 2 tags while he develops. Christian Darrisaw was a nice surprise and could be shifted to OG1/OT1 to get some improved OL play. So, I've gotta make clear that I haven't fully looked into this, but I found this interesting. Info: I broke down the OLine play and rushing/passing stats of both Tacoma and Lake Minnewanka. Tacoma Thunder Duane Brown (FA) - [16 7 1 5 1 Ickey Ekwonu (CAR) - [16 14 8 21 -15 Mitch Morse (BUF) - [16 21 5 22 -6 Christian Darrisaw (MIN) - [16 30 4 10 16 Ryan Ramczyk (NO) - [16 12 7 11 -6 2 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 84 25 69 YPR: 4.58 (5th) Sacked: 26 (2nd) Pass Completion: 60.55 (20th) Passer Rating: 86.72 (20th) INTs: 17 (20th) Lake Minnewanka Ice Orcas Orlando Brown Jr. (KC) - [16 20 5 15 0 Robert Hunt (MIA) - [16 14 14 16 -16 Connor McGovern (NYJ) - [16 18 6 10 2 3 Will Hernandez (ARI) - [16 28 11 18 -1 Evan Neal (NYG) - [16 21 2 11 8 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 101 38 70 YPR: 4.09 (14th) Sacked: 34 (13th) Pass Completion: 63.87 (8th) Passer Rating: 95.33 (13th) INTs: 10 (10th) Summary: Tacoma had 17 fewer pancakes and allowed 13 fewer sacks. They had almost the exact same stuffs allowed. You'd think that Tacoma would've had the better passing game and Lake Minnewanka would have the better rushing game. (Of course, personnel plays a role, but basing this on OLine play alone...) Results: Tacoma had considerably more yards per rush and had the worst passing completion and passer rating in the league. (Mixon and Hall are a good duo, and Jameis certainly wouldn't help their QB play.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: So, I've gotta make clear that I haven't fully looked into this, but I found this interesting. Info: I broke down the OLine play and rushing/passing stats of both Tacoma and Lake Minnewanka. Tacoma Thunder Duane Brown (FA) - [16 7 1 5 1 Ickey Ekwonu (CAR) - [16 14 8 21 -15 Mitch Morse (BUF) - [16 21 5 22 -6 Christian Darrisaw (MIN) - [16 30 4 10 16 Ryan Ramczyk (NO) - [16 12 7 11 -6 2 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 84 25 69 YPR: 4.58 (5th) Sacked: 26 (2nd) Pass Completion: 60.55 (20th) Passer Rating: 86.72 (20th) INTs: 17 (20th) Lake Minnewanka Ice Orcas Orlando Brown Jr. (KC) - [16 20 5 15 0 Robert Hunt (MIA) - [16 14 14 16 -16 Connor McGovern (NYJ) - [16 18 6 10 2 3 Will Hernandez (ARI) - [16 28 11 18 -1 Evan Neal (NYG) - [16 21 2 11 8 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 101 38 70 YPR: 4.09 (14th) Sacked: 34 (13th) Pass Completion: 63.87 (8th) Passer Rating: 95.33 (13th) INTs: 10 (10th) Summary: Tacoma had 17 fewer pancakes and allowed 13 fewer sacks. They had almost the exact same stuffs allowed. You'd think that Tacoma would've had the better passing game and Lake Minnewanka would have the better rushing game. (Of course, personnel plays a role, but basing this on OLine play alone...) Results: Tacoma had considerably more yards per rush and had the worst passing completion and passer rating in the league. (Mixon and Hall are a good duo, and Jameis certainly wouldn't help their QB play.) After making the error of trading away Derek Carr (I didn't want to lose other players from their tags), I kind of expected the worst with Jameis under center. Hopefully this just means that with improved QB play the rest of the offense will improve and get into the upper echelon based on the rest of the talent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Karnage84 said: After making the error of trading away Derek Carr (I didn't want to lose other players from their tags), I kind of expected the worst with Jameis under center. Hopefully this just means that with improved QB play the rest of the offense will improve and get into the upper echelon based on the rest of the talent. No please keep Winston starting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Karnage84 said: One thing to keep in mind is that I had Ekwonu playing OG not OT. Goal was to keep him at 2 tags while he develops. Christian Darrisaw was a nice surprise and could be shifted to OG1/OT1 to get some improved OL play. Btw you coulda played him at OT and kept him for 1 tag since he was a rookie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 hour ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: So, I've gotta make clear that I haven't fully looked into this, but I found this interesting. Info: I broke down the OLine play and rushing/passing stats of both Tacoma and Lake Minnewanka. Tacoma Thunder Duane Brown (FA) - [16 7 1 5 1 Ickey Ekwonu (CAR) - [16 14 8 21 -15 Mitch Morse (BUF) - [16 21 5 22 -6 Christian Darrisaw (MIN) - [16 30 4 10 16 Ryan Ramczyk (NO) - [16 12 7 11 -6 2 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 84 25 69 YPR: 4.58 (5th) Sacked: 26 (2nd) Pass Completion: 60.55 (20th) Passer Rating: 86.72 (20th) INTs: 17 (20th) Lake Minnewanka Ice Orcas Orlando Brown Jr. (KC) - [16 20 5 15 0 Robert Hunt (MIA) - [16 14 14 16 -16 Connor McGovern (NYJ) - [16 18 6 10 2 3 Will Hernandez (ARI) - [16 28 11 18 -1 Evan Neal (NYG) - [16 21 2 11 8 --------------------------------------------------------------- Totals: 101 38 70 YPR: 4.09 (14th) Sacked: 34 (13th) Pass Completion: 63.87 (8th) Passer Rating: 95.33 (13th) INTs: 10 (10th) Summary: Tacoma had 17 fewer pancakes and allowed 13 fewer sacks. They had almost the exact same stuffs allowed. You'd think that Tacoma would've had the better passing game and Lake Minnewanka would have the better rushing game. (Of course, personnel plays a role, but basing this on OLine play alone...) Results: Tacoma had considerably more yards per rush and had the worst passing completion and passer rating in the league. (Mixon and Hall are a good duo, and Jameis certainly wouldn't help their QB play.) Why individual/group OLine stats hold little value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Glen said: Btw you coulda played him at OT and kept him for 1 tag since he was a rookie I have other rookies that I wanted to keep at 1 tag (London and Hall) and saved 1 additional tag by playing him at OG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 3:42 AM, The Orca said: @Karnage84 I believe has won the first pick in S25 I appreciate your team's efforts in rewarding me with the 1st pick. My guys also got the message (I just copied Stephen Ross' e-mail template) and the Thunder should also be selecting in the top 5 with our own pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/14/2022 at 11:51 AM, TL-TwoWinsAway said: One of the most interesting statistical finds for me so far is Evan Neal, who had an insanely strong year at OT as a rookie: FNAME LNAME GS PANC SAA STA +/- Evan Neal [16 21 2 11 8 When compared to Ickey, the OL rookie taken one spot above in the 2022 draft: FNAME LNAME GS PANC SAA STA +/- Ickey Ekwonu [16 14 8 21 -15 That's a remarkable year for Neal at OT. @TheKillerNacho this actually leads me to an interesting question - when you're coming up with the rookie stats, are you implementing your own version of "big boards", utilizing consensus ranking, etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Karnage84 said: @TheKillerNacho this actually leads me to an interesting question - when you're coming up with the rookie stats, are you implementing your own version of "big boards", utilizing consensus ranking, etc.? I use scouting reports & raw measurables. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 Just now, TheKillerNacho said: I use scouting reports & raw measurables. So the combine and pro days would play a role? How about college stats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: So the combine and pro days would play a role? How about college stats? I use the combine unless they didn't go to the combine, in which case I use pro day. If they had neither, I try to find some sort of unofficial measurements. College stats, no, not really unless there's not much to go on. College teams vary too wildly in scheme, opposition quality, and snap spreads to be of much use... that said, scouting reports which I do use are obviously based on college play. It should be noted that, unlike NFL players whose attributes are completely determined by script (outside of occasional adjustments), rookie attributes are 100% manual (but I do try to compile most of the relevant prospects prior to the draft, as opposed to after). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 That reminds me... I never did post the S25 Draft Order, now that it is locked in (other than moving the eventual winner and runner-up to the end). So here that is: Lake Minnewanka Ice Orcas (4-12) Lancaster Fighting Amish (5-11) Anchorage Ukpiks (5-11) Greenland Polar Bears (6-10) Bowling Green Bighorns (6-10) Tacoma Thunder (6-10) Hanoi Viet Kongs (7-9) New Zealand Blobfish (7-9) Phoenix Rattlers (7-9) Egypt Starfalls (7-8-1) Richmond Flying Squirrels (8-8) Rio de Janeiro Pirates (8-8) Indianapolis Predators (9-7) Burlington Sock Puppets (9-7) Tokyo Samurai (10-6) Pittston Waste Walruses (11-5) Freiburg Venom (10-6) Reykjavík Direwolves (11-5) Little Rock Uni Royals (11-4-1) Scranton Papermakers (12-4) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Posted August 15, 2022 Share Posted August 15, 2022 2nd best record b2b wooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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