NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 hours ago, BigC421/ said: If the Pistons just wanted to put together a nice looking starting lineup and look to be in playoff contention immediately something like Murray at 5 and trade Grant for 7 to grab either AJ or Mathurin or even Sharpe ( like AJ but not sure in medicals) then just throw a max at Ayton and hope for the best. Maybe Suns don’t gamble on the match, maybe they do and just take what they can get in return? Possibly involve 3rd team to get a better player for them and Pistons give up a heavily protected pick? Idk just spit balling. The Suns aren't letting Ayton walk for nothing, they're reportedly in discussions with Indiana about a Turner/Ayton swap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Quote Deandre Ayton’s most realistic landing spots outside of Phoenix appear to be Atlanta, Detroit and Toronto, which all would present intriguing sign-and-trade opportunities for the Suns. League personnel have also whispered in recent days about a potential sign-and-trade of Ayton to Indiana for Myles Turner. Turner and Ayton share the same representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Quote Jake Fischer: After trading Christian Wood for its steady asking price of a first-round pick, Houston is still seeking a first-rounder for Eric Gordon, per sources. @Texansfan713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Quote Blazers not a landing spot for Deandre Ayton, expected to prioritize OG Anunoby trade Portland does not appear to be a legitimate landing spot for restricted free agent Deandre Ayton, sources said. The Trail Blazers are expected to retain starting center Jusuf Nurkic, and they are prioritizing Toronto Raptors swingman OG Anunoby in any return for the No. 7 pick in next week’s draft, sources said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 Great trade for the Mavs, finally get to see Wood on a good team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The Suns aren't letting Ayton walk for nothing, they're reportedly in discussions with Indiana about a Turner/Ayton swap. Says who? You have a history of confusing journalist/ bloggers posing hypotheticals and actual rumors of substance . It could happen but there isn’t much smoke there other than people on the internet thinking it makes sense. Teams aren’t obligated to give anything back to the Suns and Ayton doesn’t have to accept a sign and trade. We’re talking about a border line max player here, it’s possible that no other team wants the super with a 5th year. Here’s are offer a 4 year max take it or leave it. If Suns match they’d be stuck with him and likely cave and trade him for scraps. Not saying a bigger trade won’t happen but Phoenix doesn’t have as much leverage as you assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyronnosaurus Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: Great trade for the Mavs, finally get to see Wood on a good team He’s gonna average 20/10 here. Only question is if Kidd can get him to play defense. No matter how bad it is it can’t be worse than Dwert Powell. His extension is also 4/77. If he can give more effort on defense and fits like I think he will, that’s a steal of a contract. Edited June 16, 2022 by Tyronnosaurus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texansfan713 Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, NYRaider said: @Texansfan713 doubt they get a 1st for him. Gordon was another player Stone botched to move at the deadline. Could have gotten a 1st from a playoff contender if he traded him. His value isnt high now as it was back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, BigC421/ said: Says who? You have a history of confusing journalist/ bloggers posing hypotheticals and actual rumors of substance . It could happen but there isn’t much smoke there other than people on the internet thinking it makes sense. Teams aren’t obligated to give anything back to the Suns and Ayton doesn’t have to accept a sign and trade. We’re talking about a border line max player here, it’s possible that no other team wants the super with a 5th year. Here’s are offer a 4 year max take it or leave it. If Suns match they’d be stuck with him and likely cave and trade him for scraps. Not saying a bigger trade won’t happen but Phoenix doesn’t have as much leverage as you assume. The Suns obviously don't want to pay him a max deal but if they match his offer sheet the deal is significantly lower and then they'd have him under control for 4 years so they could send him wherever they wanted. The Suns have all of the leverage because they're still in control of where he ends up at the end of the day. And as you said he's a borderline max player so someone else could be doing the Suns a service by helping the avoid the super 5th year which could also increase his trade value. A sign and trade also benefits DeAndre Ayton because he gets the extra year and significantly more money. It also opens up the chance to play for teams that can't currently sign him outright like Atlanta and Toronto. Quote Deandre Ayton most realistic landing spots: Hawks, Pistons and Raptors Deandre Ayton’s most realistic landing spots outside of Phoenix appear to be Atlanta, Detroit and Toronto, which all would present intriguing sign-and-trade opportunities for the Suns. League personnel have also whispered in recent days about a potential sign-and-trade of Ayton to Indiana for Myles Turner. Turner and Ayton share the same representation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 (edited) @BigC421/ So multiple top NBA insiders say that the Suns aren't letting him walk for nothing and it will be a S&T yet I am basing it off blogger hypotheticals because you want the Pistons to land him for nothing or scraps, lmao. https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/report-suns-seriously-pursuing-ayton-sign-and-trade Quote The Phoenix Suns have been rumored to be seriously interested in working a sign-and-trade scenario with center Deandre Ayton. Multiple insiders have essentially confirmed this was the most likely outcome for both sides, yet one more NBA insider put their name to similar reports. NBA insider Marc Stein recently published his weekly roundup of intel around the league. This week focused more on Ayton's situation in Phoenix. Quote What seems clear, with less than three weeks to go until free agency commences June 30, is that Phoenix is increasingly expected to engage in serious sign-and-trade talks centered around Ayton, with external skepticism only rising regarding the Suns’ willingness to make a hefty long-term investment in their center. Quote Jake Fischer: If DeAndre Ayton walks out the door, I fully expect it will happen via sign-and-trade. No one I’ve spoken to in the NBA expects the Suns to just let him walk for nothing Edited June 16, 2022 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 Johnnie Bryant is getting a second interview with the Jazz, let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigC421/ Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: @BigC421/ So multiple top NBA insiders say that the Suns aren't letting him walk for nothing and it will be a S&T yet I am basing it off blogger hypotheticals because you want the Pistons to land him for nothing or scraps, lmao. https://www.si.com/nba/suns/news/report-suns-seriously-pursuing-ayton-sign-and-trade So in short , the Suns would prefer a sign and trade and that’s the more likely scenario. Doesn’t mean they will or won’t get it. I’ve stated multiple times I’m not really interested in Ayton at a max deal. Be fine with it but don’t think he’s worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, BigC421/ said: So in short , the Suns would prefer a sign and trade and that’s the more likely scenario. Doesn’t mean they will or won’t get it. I’ve stated multiple times I’m not really interested in Ayton at a max deal. Be fine with it but don’t think he’s worth it. A sign and trade benefits the Suns because they can acquire a valuable piece, Ayton gets a longer deal/more money plus can chose a team that doesn't have the space to sign him, and teams that don't have a ton of cap flexibility in free agency can now be in the running to acquire him. From Ayton's perspective would you rather sign for less money to be in Detroit or more money on a longer deal to be somewhere like Toronto or Atlanta? The Suns can literally just match any offer sheet that he signs and then trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 @BigC421/ if you don't trade Grant during/before the draft, Ayton is the best piece you can possibly get back for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, NYRaider said: A sign and trade benefits the Suns because they can acquire a valuable piece, Ayton gets a longer deal/more money plus can chose a team that doesn't have the space to sign him, and teams that don't have a ton of cap flexibility in free agency can now be in the running to acquire him. From Ayton's perspective would you rather sign for less money to be in Detroit or more money on a longer deal to be somewhere like Toronto or Atlanta? The Suns can literally just match any offer sheet that he signs and then trade him. I think an Ayton for Stewart and Killian Hayes/Cory Joseph would work for the Suns. Significantly less money than taking on Turner, gives them young depth and Stewart would be fine there not being an offensive option given the Suns didnt seem to utilize Ayton anyways on that end. Its not elite return but its solid pieces and still gives Detroit leverage to move Grant for a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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