Teen Girl Squad Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 1/30/2023 at 10:46 AM, General Tso said: What's the likelihood Levis and Richardson insert themselves into top 4 discussion.. asking for an interested party that wants Carter/Anderson to fall.. Lots of Levis jumping up hype during Superbowl week. I don't buy it but the hype is out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Teen Girl Squad said: Lots of Levis jumping up hype during Superbowl week. I don't buy it but the hype is out there. Just watch Indi trade up to 1st overall and drafting him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted February 14, 2023 Author Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Teen Girl Squad said: Lots of Levis jumping up hype during Superbowl week. I don't buy it but the hype is out there. I think there’s a pretty good chance he jumps CJ Stroud to be the 2nd QB off the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Maybe I just happened to watch the three worst games Levis ever played, but from when I saw him he didn't look like a round 1 QB, let alone a top 10 overall pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 8 hours ago, MagicMT said: Just watch Indi trade up to 1st overall and drafting him. 1 hour ago, THE DUKE said: Maybe I just happened to watch the three worst games Levis ever played, but from when I saw him he didn't look like a round 1 QB, let alone a top 10 overall pick. Because he's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 hour ago, THE DUKE said: Maybe I just happened to watch the three worst games Levis ever played, but from when I saw him he didn't look like a round 1 QB, let alone a top 10 overall pick. Besides "he throws a pretty tight spiral", I just don't get the hype at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Has a starting QB with a tattoo not service related at the time of the super bowl ever won one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, THE DUKE said: Maybe I just happened to watch the three worst games Levis ever played, but from when I saw him he didn't look like a round 1 QB, let alone a top 10 overall pick. Try to watch some of 2021 films to see if that changes your opinion of him. Liam Coen believes in him as he could another Jordan Love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I don't think enough is being made about what an outlier Bryce Young could be. The closest comparison could be a zero percentile prospect from 2000 who was 5'10 and 192 pounds, the smallest recorded QB at the combine. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/joe-hamilton There's a very real prospect that Young doesn't meet those measurements. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, goldfishwars said: I don't think enough is being made about what an outlier Bryce Young could be. The closest comparison could be a zero percentile prospect from 2000 who was 5'10 and 192 pounds, the smallest recorded QB at the combine. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/joe-hamilton There's a very real prospect that Young doesn't meet those measurements. Wasn't DeVonta Smith an "outlier" at his weight as a receiver? Different position but he is obviously doing just fine at that weight. Maybe 20 years ago Bryce Young's weight would be a bigger issue but if QBs can play till they are 45 obviously QB are not really hit like they used to be. With Bryce's quickness, preparation, quick release, professionalism and intelligence his weight should not be that big of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 40 minutes ago, Ozzy said: Wasn't DeVonta Smith an "outlier" at his weight as a receiver? Different position but he is obviously doing just fine at that weight. Maybe 20 years ago Bryce Young's weight would be a bigger issue but if QBs can play till they are 45 obviously QB are not really hit like they used to be. With Bryce's quickness, preparation, quick release, professionalism and intelligence his weight should not be that big of an issue. The game has changed, yet even within those parameters we are talking about a rare outlier size-wise. In a lengthy draft season it'll get discussed more and more. If you're a GM, do you want to be the guy who took the risk on the outlier? Cos you'll hear about it if it doesn't work out. It's also easier to be an outlier at receiver, where the franchise doesn't fall on your shoulders. Outside of that, there are very obvious reasons why you would want your QB to be more prototypically-sized - he can see the middle of the field for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 hours ago, goldfishwars said: I don't think enough is being made about what an outlier Bryce Young could be. The closest comparison could be a zero percentile prospect from 2000 who was 5'10 and 192 pounds, the smallest recorded QB at the combine. https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/joe-hamilton There's a very real prospect that Young doesn't meet those measurements. Yeah he's tiny, but unless you're a dunce of an OC, you can work around that. Young is a master manipulator of the pocket and has that sixth sense of when to step up vs. retreat in the pocket. He doesn't get a lot of balls batted despite his size. He has a great arm and excellent movement skills...and those aren't his best attributes (processing, accuracy, leadership). Young is going to be very good. I see your point that he's a crazy outlier. For sure he is. But he isn't Kyler Murray--Young has legitimately every trait you could want in a QB aside from height. Weight? I could care less about. It used to be important, but nowadays you can't breathe on a QB without being flagged 15 yards. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: QB to be more prototypically-sized - he can see the middle of the field for one. He played against monsterously sized players in college. Didn't have any issues. It's not like the NFL players are suddenly going to get bigger and taller in the NFL. The players in the SEC are the exact same size as pro athletes. The only difference is that the NFL tends to employ more under-center stuff, which can make it harder to get back far enough to see. With that said, NFL OC's can put him in the gun 99% of the time without any major adjustment to the schemes. There are only a few teams where he wouldn't really fit at all. Any team that runs a ton of dual-TE, play action passing (MIN, CLE, SF). There are a few more teams that love operating from under center and running outside zone/PA. Those teams aren't fits for him...but even then, if he's as good as I think he is, you change your scheme to match your QB's strengths. If a team takes Levis over Young, their GM should be kicked square in the nuggets. I think Stroud is very good too, whereas Levis just seems like a dude destined for "meh." I don't think he'll be bad, but probably won't be more than a Mac Jones-level player (not saying they're similar prospects, just similar in terms of how good they'll be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: Yeah he's tiny, but unless you're a dunce of an OC, you can work around that. Young is a master manipulator of the pocket and has that sixth sense of when to step up vs. retreat in the pocket. He doesn't get a lot of balls batted despite his size. He has a great arm and excellent movement skills...and those aren't his best attributes (processing, accuracy, leadership). Young is going to be very good. I see your point that he's a crazy outlier. For sure he is. But he isn't Kyler Murray--Young has legitimately every trait you could want in a QB aside from height. Weight? I could care less about. It used to be important, but nowadays you can't breathe on a QB without being flagged 15 yards. I think it's fine for us to say we don't care about it, but GM's with jobs on the line will be far more likely to talk themselves out of Young than into him. Murray was thick-set at least, whereas there will be genuine concerns about whether this guy can hold up physically. I mean, imagine him getting Pat White'd in his first game. It would take nanoseconds for the nay-sayers to come out and say 'well, that's why you don't draft tiny quarterbacks.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, BetterCallSaul said: If a team takes Levis over Young, their GM should be kicked square in the nuggets. I think Stroud is very good too, whereas Levis just seems like a dude destined for "meh." I don't think he'll be bad, but probably won't be more than a Mac Jones-level player (not saying they're similar prospects, just similar in terms of how good they'll be). Dude, I'm telling you it's going to happen. Not saying I agree with it, I don't. But Levis is a QB you talk yourself into, Young is a QB you talk yourself out of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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