Mind Character Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) "Duke's Cam Reddish 'A Beautiful Player' Battling an Ugly Reputation" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823969-dukes-cam-reddish-a-beautiful-player-battling-an-ugly-reputation ---------------- “Cam’s an incredible perfectionist,” Berger (High School Coach) said. “When Cam made one mistake that first year, I felt like I had to take him out of the game because he was going to shut down. Last year if he made two or three mistakes, I felt like he was gonna shut down.” Reddish is still trying to be a “next play” guy. Where scouts might see a lack of constant competitiveness, Berger sees a kind, gentle kid who demands excellence out of himself. “When Cam shuts down, it’s when he’s frustrated with himself,” Berger said. “It’s not because he’s not interested in being the best he can be, or being disrespectful. It’s when Cam makes a few mistakes in a row, Cam gets really frustrated with Cam. “Expect perfection, but accept humanity is one of our phrases. That’s what Cam’s still working through at the start of his Junior season" https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/11/2/16536978/cameron-reddish-duke-recruiting-nba-draft-2019-usa-basketball ------------------------------------------------------------------- @buno67 @LETSGOBROWNIES Labels are labels ... and often not true. For years, Tracy McGrady was labeled lazy and soft when in actuality he was a gym rat and all-world competitor. We can't confuse a players smooth, unemotional play personality with their work ethic or commitment. What is true about Reddish is that he's 19 years old, lacks focus, and doesn't have the most mature game from an understanding of situational awareness. Those things can develop with time, especially with good developmental coaching. He's not a basketball IQ genius like LeBron but few are. He needs a lot of development. Will he compete and will he work? Does he have a drive to be great? Those are questions our FO has to answer. Rumors say he doesn't. Some digging into his background and into the kid say otherwise. Which is true? What's true is he has all the raw tools of an elite player and displays that elite ability inconsistently. 3 years of quality NBA coaching and development, where could his ability and skill progress? I watched Zion and Duke every game; Reddish is engaged on defense but lacks defensive awareness. He's further along than most in that regard at the same level of development however guarding the Shooting Guard spot requires more than guarding SFs in terms of the awareness to chase around big man down screens and actions. At 5, if we don't trade down and only Culver and White are on the board, Reddish is worth the gamble because Culver at worst becomes a streaky shooter that lacks length and ability on the defensive end. At worst, Coby White is an amazing glue/role player; and at worst Reddish is a 3-point marksmen specialist role player with the length and size to impact the defensive side of the ball. Edited May 16, 2019 by Mind Character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Jarrett Culver would be like Caris LeVert in JBs system. Kid will be a stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) Reddish is undraftable to me. He will be out of the league and playing in China in 2-3 years. Edited May 16, 2019 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: "Duke's Cam Reddish 'A Beautiful Player' Battling an Ugly Reputation" https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823969-dukes-cam-reddish-a-beautiful-player-battling-an-ugly-reputation ------------------------------------------------------------------- @buno67 @LETSGOBROWNIES Labels are labels ... and often not true. For years, Tracy McGrady was labeled lazy and soft when in actuality he was a gym rat and all-world competitor. We can't confuse a players smooth, unemotional play personality with their work ethic or commitment. I’m not talking about his play style, I’m taking about the chatter from the “experts” that inevitably follows his name. 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: What is true about Reddish is that he's 19 years old, lacks focus, and doesn't have the most mature game from an understanding of situational awareness. Those things can develop with time, especially with good developmental coaching. He's not a basketball IQ genius like LeBron but few are. He needs a lot of development. Of course people can develop, but expecting a LAZY player (if that’s actually the case) to develop is expecting a lot of things to go your way. 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Will he compete and will he work? Does he have a drive to be great? Those are questions our FO has to answer. Rumors say he doesn't. Some digging into his background and into the kid say otherwise. Which is true? I have no clue. I’m basing my opinion on what I’ve read on the internet like everyone else. 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: What's true is he has all the raw tools of an elite player and displays that elite ability inconsistently. 3 years of quality NBA coaching and development, where could his ability and skill progress? That kind of thinking has got a lot of GM’s in all sports fired over the years. 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: I watched Zion and Duke every game; Get a life nerd. 15 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Reddish is engaged on defense but lacks defensive awareness. He's further along than most in that regard at the same level of development however guarding the Shooting Guard spot requires more than guarding SFs in terms of the awareness to chase around big man down screens and actions. At 5, if we don't trade down and only Culver and White are on the board, Reddish is worth the gamble because Culver at worst becomes a streaky shooter that lacks length and ability on the defensive end. At worst, Coby White is an amazing glue/role player; and at worst Reddish is a 3-point marksmen specialist role player with the length and size to impact the defensive side of the ball. Zion, Ja, Barrett, Hunter and Culver are all above Reddish imo, even if they’re not as naturally talented. *If the rumors about his laziness are false, I’m good to go with him then. Laziness can’t be a thing for a top pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 41 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Jarrett Culver would be like Caris LeVert in JBs system. Kid will be a stud. Yeah I think he's the best player we could select who has a legit shot at being available at #5. He should be solid at worst at the next level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reginaldm9 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 One of Hunter or Culver will be available at 5. Gimme either of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Who are some players we could look to target with our second first-round pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, DawgX said: Who are some players we could look to target with our second first-round pick? I want to move up for Bol Bol. We could probably get him a few picks earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Reddish just needs the ball too much to be effective. We seen what happens when he doesn’t dominate the ball at duke he looks lost. What’s he going to do on a team with Collin Sexton who doesn’t acknowledge the existence of the other 4 players on the floor? Same goes with clarkson if we keep him around. Or nance who for whatever reason thinks he’s a point center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Agree to disagree then. I can’t say I’m interested in guys who are labeled as soft before they were multimillionaires and lazy before they had more pull than their boss. Neither you nor I have literally any clue what JB will do when it comes to pro players, he’s never done it. These aren’t kids, these are grown men who outearn him. Do I need to make a list of all the great college coaches who’ve failed at exactly what your describing? What does JB know about developing talent that Coach K doesn’t btw? It’s not like he’s lacked good coaching, he played for arguably the best ever in college and still coasted. When did Jeff Green become his floor? He could be a complete bust for all we know. It’s not like he’s a guy you can count on to at least be a hustle 3/D guy at a minimum. That’s part of the issue. I don’t need to swing for the fences, just give me a really good starter and keep building. What does JB know better than coach K? JB isn’t pulling recruiting classes like Duke. So he is taking the talent he is getting and is developing them into the sweet 16, elite 8, final four, and title game caliber teams. Coach K might have three guys drafted in the top5/top10 and couldn’t make it to the final four. JB is one hell of a college coach, how Will he transition to the NBA that is unknown. We do know the dude knows how to connect with 18-23/24year olds. Yeah these aren’t kids, grown men comment. Cavs is going to be young team except for the likes of Love, TT, and Clarkson. Those guys will prolly get loved. The majority of this roster is going to prolly be 24 or young. Sexton is 20, Cedi is 24, #5 pick, #26 pick, of the top of my head and that will prolly be the core to truly build around a long with Love. So I would want a coach who has a very long and extensive background of working with those guys. The future faces of the team in Sexton and this top5 aren’t grown men. When was the last time a college coach was plucked to be apart of a young rebuild? Last two college coaches to get the call up took over straight contenders with Billy D and the guy got the Bulls Holiberg or something. actually the last college guy plucked into a similar situation was Brad Stevens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownsDog23 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) I be ok with any of the 3 player supposedly in the mix with a slight preference for Reddish. I like Culiver, I think he hits the ground running and is a solid player right away but I question his upside.I don’t think hes ever going to be a star more likely a Gary Harris/Malcom Brogdon type player. Both are really good players on really good teams but neither are stars and with the 5th pick you’re hoping to get a star. When it comes to Hunter pretty much the same concern I have with Culiver is I question his upside particularly as a scorer/shot creator. He’s going to be a good to great defender but I’m not sure if he’ll ever be more than a catch and shoot guy on offense, he’s stiff and doesn’t seem all that comfortable handling the ball. Reddish has alot the positive traits as Culiver in terms of having a well rounded skill set with the key differences being Culiver was far more consistent and Reddish having far far better physical tools. Our new head coach supposedly is great at developing players so I say swing for the fences and take the guy with the highest upside. Edited May 16, 2019 by BrownsDog23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Get a life nerd. Quote 3 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: *If the rumors about his laziness are false, I’m good to go with him then. Laziness can’t be a thing for a top pick. Agreed. If they are true (that he is lazy), we shouldn't pick him. I could be wrong ... I just don't believe it based on my belief in the truth of words of his high school, AAU, and college coaches saying the "lazy and lack of love of the game" are "misevaluations of him" as instead early in his career "he's a perfectionist that beats himself up to the point of paralysis" and "now he's learned to let go and play each play but he regresses sometimes" and "he's invested in the trust your work guiding phrase and works as hard as anybody." If those coaches are right and the negative opinions in the public are based on Reddish not living up to the hype compared to RJ Barrett and Zion combined with his lack of fire in his style of play, then I'm all in on taking Reddish if Hunter's gone. His clutch meter in multiple games with big johnson, baker sideline celebration 3s showed that in the big moments he doesn't fade in the same way Culver has. Should be interesting to see how it works out. Edited May 16, 2019 by Mind Character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mind Character said: Agreed. If they are true (that he is lazy), we shouldn't pick him. I could be wrong ... I just don't believe it based on my belief in the truth of words of his high school, AAU, and college coaches saying the "lazy and lack of love of the game" are "misevaluations of him" as instead early in his career "he's a perfectionist that beats himself up to the point of paralysis" and "now he's learned to let go and play each play" and "he's invested in the trust your work guiding phrase and works as hard as anybody." If those coaches are right and the negative opinions in the public are based on Reddish not living up to the hype compared to RJ Barrett and Zion combined with his lack of fire in his style of play, then I'm all in on taking Reddish if Hunter's gone. His clutch meter in multiple games with big johnson, baker sideline celebration 3s showed that in the big moments he doesn't fade in the same way Culver has. Should be interesting to see how it works out. he's grown from Are you seriously going to base your opinion off of the comments from coaches? That’s about the worse source you can site. Of course they’re going to be complimentary. coaches never say anything negative about a former player it would hurt recruiting. Come on now be smart about this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 I’m taking Reddish Over Hunter. Hunter is a 3rd year JR. Reddish two years from now will be farther along than where Hunter is right now I’m confident in that. If Culver is at 5 I’m taking him if he goes 4 I’m going with Reddish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Are you seriously going to base your opinion off of the comments from coaches? That’s about the worse source you can site. Of course they’re going to be complimentary. coaches never say anything negative about a former player it would hurt recruiting. Come on now be smart about this. Stop being a hater, even his mom thinks he’s the finest young man in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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