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20 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

I think we need to slow down on the “Dotson can be better than Terry in a few years.”

I think he can be special and so agree he’s not far off from Wilson & Olave as a prospect but, he doesn’t quite have their upside.

Terry is arguably the best WR Washington has had since Art Monk. Dotson has a lot to prove he can be a definite top 20 WR in the NFL. At this point we’re not even sure if he’s a starter. Terry was our #1 week 1 of 2019 & hasn’t looked back. I can’t say I expect that kind of play out of Dotson. I expect him to play more like a Jamison Crowder (60-65 recs, 600-750 recs & at most a handful of TDs) as a young WR who hopefully develops into a more downfield threat than Crowder who’s just a slot reception gobbling WR.

It’s hard for me to explain but Terry runs amazing routes with speed. But Dotson has something different. He runs fast crisp routes but he has a different gear. He sets routes up where he looks uninvolved in the play then catches DB’s slipping and just leaves them looking lost. I absolutely love Terry we all know that. I just see a similar makeup with alittle more god given ability. But Dotson will have something Terry didn’t and that’s Terry. All I’m saying is Dotson if his game translates and he puts in the work he has a DJax type glide along with that Terry type dog. I think Terry is more vocal to his teammates then I saw from Dotson in college. But as I said I believe he will be better not because of something Terry hasn’t done. I think it’s because what Terry didn’t have around him to have realistic opportunity to do. Just my opinion but I love our WR room. Duece has game and Sims adds a element. I just think we have a really dynamic group of guys and I’m just excited to see them come together. I’m not trying to slight Terry when I make that comment. I’m just saying I believe Dotson is just going to make this a 1A-1B pick your poison pair

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For me, the biggest difference between Terry and Jahan is the extra 25 pounds that 17 carries without giving up much speed or fluidity. 

Jahan is a bit more physical and has more play strength than a guy like Olave, but he’s still going to be one of the most slight/slender receivers in the league as a young player. He got bullied against Michigan, and if you were going to try to use him at the X like we do with Terry, I think NFL CBs would do the same. Especially he doesn’t have the really advanced releases package that Olave has, for example. 

I’m excited for Jahan, but I don’t think his body is prepared to do some of the things we ask Terry to do, in terms of being physical and absorbing contact and not being disrupted. We’re going to have to create some space for him to operate — which is fine, because at full health we have enough talented guys out there that no one will be able to devote extra resources to crowding Jahan Dotson’s space. 

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While I’m on the topic of nonsensical underrating/disrespect of WAS players, I have to say that I’m already getting a little weary of people acting like Carson Wentz is an awful QB. 

I didn’t favor the trade they did for him, mostly because I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB we need to win Super Bowls and the such. But I’m seeing various publications and commenters carrying on as though he’s basically incompetent — most recently, ESPN’s “future power rankings” placed us 27th in the “QB” category. That ranks us ahead of only Seattle (Lock and Geno), Detroit (Goff and no one), the Giants (Jones and no one), the Panthers (Mayfield and Darnold), and the Falcons (Mariota and Ridder). 

I get that our ranking takes a hit because there’s probably less blind hope for superstar upside in Wentz than some of these young guys like Fields, Wilson, Pickett, Lance, etc. But there’s also a lot more certainty in a guy who, except for that dreadful COVID year, has always been at least a pretty good NFL QB. We’ve literally never seen any of those aforementioned kids play well in the NFL, and that’s before we get to guys like Tua, Mac Jones, Mills, Winston, etc. who also have no business ahead of Wentz in my book. 

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55 minutes ago, e16bball said:

While I’m on the topic of nonsensical underrating/disrespect of WAS players, I have to say that I’m already getting a little weary of people acting like Carson Wentz is an awful QB. 

I didn’t favor the trade they did for him, mostly because I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB we need to win Super Bowls and the such. But I’m seeing various publications and commenters carrying on as though he’s basically incompetent — most recently, ESPN’s “future power rankings” placed us 27th in the “QB” category. That ranks us ahead of only Seattle (Lock and Geno), Detroit (Goff and no one), the Giants (Jones and no one), the Panthers (Mayfield and Darnold), and the Falcons (Mariota and Ridder). 

I get that our ranking takes a hit because there’s probably less blind hope for superstar upside in Wentz than some of these young guys like Fields, Wilson, Pickett, Lance, etc. But there’s also a lot more certainty in a guy who, except for that dreadful COVID year, has always been at least a pretty good NFL QB. We’ve literally never seen any of those aforementioned kids play well in the NFL, and that’s before we get to guys like Tua, Mac Jones, Mills, Winston, etc. who also have no business ahead of Wentz in my book. 

I can’t agree more with this. Wentz as a QB since 2018, except for the 2020 COVID-19 season when a lot of what happened to the Eagles w/ injuries in their offense was out of his control, has been an average to good NFL starting QB.

It’s true that he hasn’t played at an All-Pro/MVP type level since 2017 but he has played at arguably a pro bowl level or just below in every year since 2017. The production just speaks for itself & there’s more that he can improve upon as far as making quicker decisions/getting the ball out quicker & learning to take quick hitters when they’re there and nothing is open downfield right away. He has to learn to get the ball out quicker to get those 5-10 yard gains that move the chains & then when safeties come up to stop that, then you hit them with the deep shots, not the other way around.

I think the national media & even some C’s fans are sleeping on what the Wentz to Terry connection could develop into. Wentz has never played with a WR on Terry’s top 15 level & Terry has never played with a QB who has top 10 talent that’s consistently played like a top 15 in the league except for the 2020 season.

I really hope these two blow the roof off the league this year bc both have chips on their shoulders. Wentz especially has a chance to prove to the Eagles (twice) and the Colts (in Indy) that they made a mistake trading him away. I hope he makes them pay with Terry’s help.

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On 7/23/2022 at 1:39 PM, e16bball said:

While I’m on the topic of nonsensical underrating/disrespect of WAS players, I have to say that I’m already getting a little weary of people acting like Carson Wentz is an awful QB. 

I didn’t favor the trade they did for him, mostly because I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB we need to win Super Bowls and the such. But I’m seeing various publications and commenters carrying on as though he’s basically incompetent — most recently, ESPN’s “future power rankings” placed us 27th in the “QB” category. That ranks us ahead of only Seattle (Lock and Geno), Detroit (Goff and no one), the Giants (Jones and no one), the Panthers (Mayfield and Darnold), and the Falcons (Mariota and Ridder). 

I get that our ranking takes a hit because there’s probably less blind hope for superstar upside in Wentz than some of these young guys like Fields, Wilson, Pickett, Lance, etc. But there’s also a lot more certainty in a guy who, except for that dreadful COVID year, has always been at least a pretty good NFL QB. We’ve literally never seen any of those aforementioned kids play well in the NFL, and that’s before we get to guys like Tua, Mac Jones, Mills, Winston, etc. who also have no business ahead of Wentz in my book. 

This 100% in the last 5 seasons he had 4 with 20+tds and less then 10 ints the only other QB in the league to do that is ARod,but the media talks about him like he's Jamies Winston from the 30 td 30 int season.

He isn't a top 10 QB and we likely overpaid.Will say though if Logan and Curtis get/stay healthy he could have a top 10 QB season as he's lacked talent around him in the last few season when it came to pass catchers.

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On 7/23/2022 at 12:39 PM, e16bball said:

While I’m on the topic of nonsensical underrating/disrespect of WAS players, I have to say that I’m already getting a little weary of people acting like Carson Wentz is an awful QB. 

I didn’t favor the trade they did for him, mostly because I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB we need to win Super Bowls and the such. But I’m seeing various publications and commenters carrying on as though he’s basically incompetent — most recently, ESPN’s “future power rankings” placed us 27th in the “QB” category. That ranks us ahead of only Seattle (Lock and Geno), Detroit (Goff and no one), the Giants (Jones and no one), the Panthers (Mayfield and Darnold), and the Falcons (Mariota and Ridder). 

I get that our ranking takes a hit because there’s probably less blind hope for superstar upside in Wentz than some of these young guys like Fields, Wilson, Pickett, Lance, etc. But there’s also a lot more certainty in a guy who, except for that dreadful COVID year, has always been at least a pretty good NFL QB. We’ve literally never seen any of those aforementioned kids play well in the NFL, and that’s before we get to guys like Tua, Mac Jones, Mills, Winston, etc. who also have no business ahead of Wentz in my book. 

There's going to be a lot of people with egg on their face, when the 2022 season is over me thinks.

I don't think people are taking in to consideration, the situation(s) Wentz has been in.

It's like they completely forgot what he did in 2017, or don't think he can ever do it again.

Besides the horrific injuries he's had, he's never really had too notch WR's to throw too.

Both the Eagles & Colts had suspect pass blocking ability.

He has better on both fronts in Washington.

Add in a team that has 1st round picks across the board on D-line, that has the potential to be one of the very best.

A running game that will be able to get him out of jams, as well as provide him targets just the same as the WR's will. (Speaking of Gibson & McKissic)

I don't know if he will relive the magic of 2017 100%.

But he has all the weapons to do so, imo.

And that, is what the naysayers don't see, that I do.

There's a reason why a "few people" have picked us winning the Division this year.

And it's not because they're crazy like me. 🤣

Providing we stay healthy & the Defense comes out hittin'?

I think we win division @12-5.

 

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16 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said:

 

So, as we’ve heard lately sadly Chase Young is the furthest away from being ready to return to practice to begin ready to go week 1. Tearing his ACL in mid Nov is a short timeline to be ready for week 1 in September but hopefully he can do it or at least be back by October.

Roullier is the furthest along and had some good practice sessions.

Logan Thomas has also showed good progress & it sounds like he should be ready to go early in camp at some point.

Tyler Larsen, like Chase Young is also always away from what Rivera said in his interview, it’s sounding like Larsen & Young may not be ready until the season starts or maybe not even until October.

I liked Rivera’s answer to the maturity question & that he’s curious to see the team’s development & the maturity/growth of the team bc as he said they are still a young team in many spots.

Interesting to hear him talk about the linebackers. As I’ve suspected they want to see their current linebackers practice & probably play a preseason game or more to decide if they want to bring in a veteran.

Again, he mentioned the Buffalo nickel & how that will be a key role on their defense. That guy will play a lot as a 3rd safety/box safety, a lot like a WLB off the ball.

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