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Not sure where to ask this but

Is it something new this year that the starting pitchers are going substantially fewer innings?

I haven't really followed closely since... 2014 or so. But I've turned back in to watch my Phillies in the WS.

 

Is this definitely a thing? If so, why? Has it been gradual or like a "new meta" sort of thing.

Last time I watched I was enjoying seeing Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Cole Hamels regularly go start to finish but seeing starting pitchers pulled after 4-5 with only like 70-80 pitches seems normal now?

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8 hours ago, Danger said:

Not sure where to ask this but

Is it something new this year that the starting pitchers are going substantially fewer innings?

I haven't really followed closely since... 2014 or so. But I've turned back in to watch my Phillies in the WS.

 

Is this definitely a thing? If so, why? Has it been gradual or like a "new meta" sort of thing.

Last time I watched I was enjoying seeing Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, and Cole Hamels regularly go start to finish but seeing starting pitchers pulled after 4-5 with only like 70-80 pitches seems normal now?

Stats have shown pretty consistently that pitchers get much worse the third time through a lineup. Add to that relievers have gotten better, particularly those in middle relief, so yes they generally go shorter. In the playoffs unless you are an ace and are filthy on that day you probably won't go more than 5, maybe 6.

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20 hours ago, Nabbs4u said:

Greg Maddox faced 20,421 batters during his career and only 310 saw a 3-0 count. 177 of those were intentional walks. 

 

ABSURD!

For all of the focus now on max velocity, I’d love to see someone come along with the control that Maddux had and just completely baffle everyone.  But that is more rare in today’s game than having a huge velo arm like a Mason Miller.  

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1 hour ago, naptownskinsfan said:

For all of the focus now on max velocity, I’d love to see someone come along with the control that Maddux had and just completely baffle everyone.  But that is more rare in today’s game than having a huge velo arm like a Mason Miller.  

Don't get me wrong I think Maddux is a top 5 pitcher ever. But a good amount of his success came from being able to get the strike calls off the plate. As much as we complain about umpires they are substantially better now at calling balls on strikes specifically on the edges. Maddux also had something else other than control though. He could vary the speed of the same pitch like no one else. And that is impossible to pick up or time. That is what lifted him so far above Glavine. Maddux can be a #1 today because of that. Glavine, who also had great control, I don't see as a viable #1 today.

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