mission27 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Max has 3 Cy Youngs now, which puts him pretty elite company: Clemens (7) Unit (5) Maddux (4) Carlton (4) Pedro (3) Koufax (3) Seaver (3) Palmer (3) Kershaw (3) Scherzer (3) Kershaw is obviously just about a lock but what about Scherzer. How close is he? He broke out in his mid-20s but since then has been flat out dominant. Interesting comparison, 10 years into their careers: Max Scherzer (32): 141-75, 3.30 ERA, 127 ERA+, 2149 SO, 44.6 WAR Randy Johnson (33): 124-68, 3.37 ERA, 128 ERA+, 2000 SO, 37.7 WAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 easily will be a hall of famer, as long as he doesnt just completely fall off the face of the earth. He would have to have a stretch of being one of the worse pitchers in the league. How many pitchers have won a cy young in both leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 He just has to not tear his shoulder up and he's good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 I'm surprised people are so sold on this. Of course, it makes me smug, seeing as I was the first person to say Scherzer would be good all the way back in 2009. But still, he's only had 5 really good years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 The Cy Youngs help his case but I'm not sold on his being a definite Hall of Famer just yet. Maybe if he gets 200 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I guess my question would be do we think Kluber is 2 more years away from the hall of fame. Because their careers would look fairly similar. I guess my answer would be that he has already done the heavy lifting (having a dominant strech for a sufficiently long time). But it needs to be padded with some more at least good years (think 3+ WAR). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 2-3 more dominant years followed by 2-3 more above average years and he gets there. That would put him around 3000k and over 200 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 Really depends on if the writers realize the old school SP is dead and the arbitrary win milestones start to go away. The HoF has been including a smaller and smaller percentage of SPs over the years because of their stubbornness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbuff23835 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 He’d have to fall off a cliff completely to not be a lock for me. Multiple no hitters, a 20k game, 3 CY Youngs...i mean come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 51 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said: He’d have to fall off a cliff completely to not be a lock for me. Multiple no hitters, a 20k game, 3 CY Youngs...i mean come on. He's got the peak highlights already, but longevity counts, especially in the 162 game grindhouse that is the MLB season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Really depends on if the writers realize the old school SP is dead and the arbitrary win milestones start to go away. The HoF has been including a smaller and smaller percentage of SPs over the years because of their stubbornness. Honestly, will we ever see another 300 game winner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 18 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Honestly, will we ever see another 300 game winner? Kershaw has an outside shot. He's got 144 and is 29 years old. It depends on how well/poorly he ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Honestly, will we ever see another 300 game winner? No. The real question is should we ever see another 300 game winner? If you're a team are you really maximizing what a SP can do for you nowadays if you have a workload that extreme consistently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: No. The real question is should we ever see another 300 game winner? If you're a team are you really maximizing what a SP can do for you nowadays if you have a workload that extreme consistently? I wouldn't say no. If it happens though it won't be the top pitcher type. It would be a Mark Buehrle type on a really good team that consistently wins 15-16 and can hang around for 20 years. (Buehrle is mean as an example of type of pitcher as I know he doesn't mean any of those criteria itself) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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