JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 Just now, Madmike90 said: Not sure that is really going to help hahaha I know I was only joking lol. I do agree with your take. It's much better than ignoring him like another coach I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 I bet we would be favorites if this was 1953... Notice where the Bears current and former QB led offenses are placed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: I bet we would be favorites if this was 1953... Notice where the Bears current and former QB led offenses are placed at. Didn't I post something by this same guy a week ago and you swept it aside by saying "PFF is trash?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 minute ago, beardown3231 said: Didn't I post something by this same guy a week ago and you swept it aside by saying "PFF is trash?" Yeah because you posted stats based on PFF. What are you getting at here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said: Yeah because you posted stats based on PFF. What are you getting at here? My bad. I figured this twitter user worked for PFF because what I posted was based on PFF. Evidently he/she just posts anything from anywhere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 29, 2022 Author Share Posted September 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: My bad. I figured this twitter user worked for PFF because what I posted was based on PFF. Evidently he/she just posts anything from anywhere Ah okay. Nah he has his own models he helped create based on R language and that's what he posts alot of-- which I find useful for some things like play calling and performance (although it's only a result based system with little context). Sometimes he also just takes stats from other sites (like PFF) and simply makes them look pretty for visualization purposes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 https://forums.footballsfuture.com/topic/44860-gdt-week-2-packers-eberflus-prime-time-debut-end-the-streak/?do=findComment&comment=4703763 Just to continue this. I used NGS charts to track Fields' air yards, depth, and more. I section off the field in 1/8ths to paint a clearer picture. You can find the totals for combined games at the bottom of each section. Note: LOS - Means pass attempt at LOS or less. ==================== 14 attempts each at LOS, 1-10 yards, and 11-30. Well at least he's been consistent at something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 Jarring fact; in 15 games, Fields has yet throw a TD pass in the first quarter in the NFL and has thrown 5 INTs. Since 1994, only 28 QBs never threw a TD pass in the 1st Q (min 20 pass attempts) and Fields' 5 INTs is the most among them. His 43.6 passer rating is the 24th lowest next to Spergon Wynn (43.8) and Tim Hasselbeck (43.1). His passer rating this year is 21.8, which is the lowest in the league by a wide margin (Joe Flacco 38.5 / Tua 46.6). Player Year Tm Quarter G Cmp Att Cmp% Yds Y/A TD Int Sk Yds 1D Rate ANY/A Ryan Finley 2019-2020 Bengals 1st Qtr 8 14 22 63.6 135 6.1 0 0 3 -36 7 80.7 6.84 Paxton Lynch 2016-2017 Broncos 1st Qtr 5 18 28 64.3 143 5.1 0 0 2 -7 7 76.9 5.00 Bucky Richardson 1994-1994 Titans 1st Qtr 7 16 28 57.1 173 6.2 0 0 4 -26 10 75.4 6.22 Tom Savage 2016-2017 Texans 1st Qtr 11 40 66 60.6 331 5.0 0 0 8 -53 18 73.5 5.19 Thaddeus Lewis 2012-2013 2TM 1st Qtr 7 24 44 54.5 366 8.3 0 1 4 -30 15 72.7 7.31 Cleo Lemon 2006-2007 Dolphins 1st Qtr 13 29 51 56.9 274 5.4 0 0 4 -22 15 71.9 5.38 Scott Tolzien 2013-2017 2TM 1st Qtr 7 15 23 65.2 184 8.0 0 1 3 -21 8 71.6 6.15 Billy Joe Tolliver 1998-1999 Saints 1st Qtr 17 41 72 56.9 537 7.5 0 2 1 -6 23 69.0 6.21 Jonathan Quinn 1998-2004 2TM 1st Qtr 15 14 28 50.0 170 6.1 0 0 4 -22 6 69.0 6.00 Joe Webb 2010-2017 2TM 1st Qtr 48 12 21 57.1 96 4.6 0 0 0 0 6 68.8 4.57 Tyler Palko 2011-2011 Chiefs 1st Qtr 6 15 21 71.4 120 5.7 0 1 2 -18 5 65.6 4.04 EJ Manuel 2013-2017 2TM 1st Qtr 30 65 118 55.1 641 5.4 0 2 11 -50 33 63.6 4.66 T.J. Yates 2011-2017 Texans 1st Qtr 14 35 57 61.4 337 5.9 0 2 8 -46 19 63.3 4.51 Moses Moreno 1998-2000 2TM 1st Qtr 8 13 25 52.0 107 4.3 0 0 3 -23 4 63.2 4.64 John Beck 2007-2011 2TM 1st Qtr 9 20 33 60.6 183 5.5 0 1 5 -27 7 63.1 4.34 Brodie Croyle 2007-2010 Chiefs 1st Qtr 16 35 56 62.5 190 3.4 0 1 2 -12 7 60.9 2.71 Landry Jones 2015-2017 Steelers 1st Qtr 18 21 31 67.7 206 6.6 0 2 2 -18 7 59.3 4.06 Brooks Bollinger 2004-2007 2TM 1st Qtr 17 30 54 55.6 239 4.4 0 1 7 -43 14 59.1 3.89 Brock Huard 2000-2000 Seahawks 1st Qtr 5 12 23 52.2 160 7.0 0 1 3 -14 3 56.4 4.96 Keith Null 2009-2009 Rams 1st Qtr 4 17 30 56.7 140 4.7 0 1 4 -18 7 54.9 3.32 Devlin Hodges 2019-2019 Steelers 1st Qtr 8 17 25 68.0 121 4.8 0 2 3 -22 8 45.6 1.89 Dan Orlovsky 2008-2011 2TM 1st Qtr 18 33 65 50.8 302 4.6 0 3 10 -60 15 44.5 3.03 Spergon Wynn 2000-2001 2TM 1st Qtr 10 7 20 35.0 54 2.7 0 0 3 -20 3 43.8 3.22 Justin Fields 2021-2022 Bears 1st Qtr 15 35 62 56.5 418 6.7 0 5 6 -38 15 43.6 3.40 Tim Hasselbeck 2003-2003 Washington 1st Qtr 7 16 36 44.4 134 3.7 0 1 1 -9 7 43.1 2.65 John Skelton 2010-2012 Cardinals 1st Qtr 20 52 120 43.3 451 3.8 0 4 11 -86 23 40.0 2.73 Stoney Case 1997-2000 3TM 1st Qtr 18 17 45 37.8 143 3.2 0 2 3 -15 7 28.3 1.42 Caleb Hanie 2011-2011 Bears 1st Qtr 6 12 26 46.2 80 3.1 0 2 2 -16 3 21.3 0.21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 This I would agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted October 2, 2022 Author Share Posted October 2, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Madmike90 said: This I would agree with. He's taking as many short passes as he is deep passes. As I showed above, 28 of his 45 attempts have been 10 yards or less in air yards. 22% of his targets have been to Monty/Herbert. Edited October 2, 2022 by JAF-N72EX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 2 hours ago, JAF-N72EX said: He's taking as many short passes as he is deep passes. As I showed above, 28 of his 45 attempts have been 10 yards or less in air yards. 22% of his targets have been to Monty/Herbert. No doubt he is still throwing shorter passes but being 2nd in air yards per attempt clearly isn't working for him...we need to do some shorter stuff to set up the deep ball...I still can't believe just how few slants and mesh concepts we are seeing...hopefully with Velus looking likely to be back today we see some more of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 ok, this hypothetical is not an indication that i am giving up on fields, just a thought. Say we finish with the #2 pick, and a team like houston gets #1. Lovie ends up being lovie and they sign jimmy G and draft either Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. that leaves us with the unpicked DL or either QB. if you could trade Fields and (at least) get a 2023 #1 pick, would you? Option 1 - draft potential DL stud (no WR or OL is worth the pick) Option 2 - trade JF for a 1st, draft a QB (Stroud/Young), restart the rookie qb contract clock, use second 1st round pick for other help Option 3 - trade back from #2 for a (potential) king's ransom for a team looking for a QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 45 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: ok, this hypothetical is not an indication that i am giving up on fields, just a thought. Say we finish with the #2 pick, and a team like houston gets #1. Lovie ends up being lovie and they sign jimmy G and draft either Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. that leaves us with the unpicked DL or either QB. if you could trade Fields and (at least) get a 2023 #1 pick, would you? Option 1 - draft potential DL stud (no WR or OL is worth the pick) Option 2 - trade JF for a 1st, draft a QB (Stroud/Young), restart the rookie qb contract clock, use second 1st round pick for other help Option 3 - trade back from #2 for a (potential) king's ransom for a team looking for a QB Option 3 without a second-thought. This franchise desperately needs to get on the right side of the draft ledger. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 1 hour ago, HuskieBear said: ok, this hypothetical is not an indication that i am giving up on fields, just a thought. Say we finish with the #2 pick, and a team like houston gets #1. Lovie ends up being lovie and they sign jimmy G and draft either Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. that leaves us with the unpicked DL or either QB. if you could trade Fields and (at least) get a 2023 #1 pick, would you? Option 1 - draft potential DL stud (no WR or OL is worth the pick) Option 2 - trade JF for a 1st, draft a QB (Stroud/Young), restart the rookie qb contract clock, use second 1st round pick for other help Option 3 - trade back from #2 for a (potential) king's ransom for a team looking for a QB Who is giving up a 1st rounder for Fields? I'm going option 2 regardless. Take Bryce Young and see if a team would give up a 3rd rounder for Fields 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Romen Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 40 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Who is giving up a 1st rounder for Fields? I'm going option 2 regardless. Take Bryce Young and see if a team would give up a 3rd rounder for Fields Washington gave a good amount for Wentz... Fields would fetch at least one first. Probably more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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