turtle28 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Texans won & lost the #1 pick in the draft! Wow 😱 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: Texans won & lost the #1 pick in the draft! Wow 😱 <Insert the typical "you play to win the game" comments> 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 I really don’t see how it hurts the Texans. They’re still getting one of Young or Stroud. And I’m not sure there’s that much of a big difference between the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, lavar703 said: I really don’t see how it hurts the Texans. They’re still getting one of Young or Stroud. And I’m not sure there’s that much of a big difference between the two? We'll see in 10 years. It may end up like Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers or it may end up like Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell. Not comparing their playing styles, but simply saying you never know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 17 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: We'll see in 10 years. It may end up like Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers or it may end up like Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell. Not comparing their playing styles, but simply saying you never know. But the Bears aren’t picking a QB and is someone really going to give up the draft capital needed to leap frog to one? I really like Young and Stroud but this isn’t an Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence situation. My guess is the bears try to trade the pick but end up taking Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 22 minutes ago, lavar703 said: I really don’t see how it hurts the Texans. They’re still getting one of Young or Stroud. And I’m not sure there’s that much of a big difference between the two? Arm talent there’s a huge difference between the two (Stroud has elite arm talent)  but, Bryce Young seems to have more of that special mobility/off schedule ability at QB. If Bryce Young can stay healthy he’ll be a good/great QB but if he ends up battling injuries all the time like Tua, he won’t be. Bryce reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson & Tua. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 14 minutes ago, lavar703 said: But the Bears aren’t picking a QB and is someone really going to give up the draft capital needed to leap frog to one? I really like Young and Stroud but this isn’t an Andrew Luck or Trevor Lawrence situation. My guess is the bears try to trade the pick but end up taking Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. I mean, if I was running the Bears, I might consider a QB if you believe they give you a chance to win the game vertically. Its clear that Fields is not a very good passing QB. He is absolutely above average (very good) at running the ball. Unfortunately he isn't even as good as Daniel Jones at the position and the Giants may still end up moving on from him. If the Bears can get decent value for Fields, they should trade him ala Josh Rosen and draft their QBotF. I doubt that happens though and they have much more pressing needs than the QB position. So its probably a mute point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 So, the 16th pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 A lot to still unpack here, but here's a shot at it to start. Coaching 1) Ron fires Scott Turner. Hire Bobby Slowick from the Niners to be OC. Doubtful we could get him with a lame duck coach, so I'll say an alternate is someone like Frank Reich. Current Cap - $17.4 million Cuts/Restructures 1) Cut Carson Wentz. So easy. No dead cap and saves $26.1 million. 2) Cut Logan Thomas, saving $5.2 million with a dead cap of $3.5 million. 3) Cut JD McKissic. I don't know that he's coming back from this injury and I don't think we need him truly. Post June 1 is dead of $500k and saves $2.75 Freed up $34.05 million at the moment, which should bring us to around $50/51 million Resignings: 1) Resign Daron Payne to a 4 year $72 million deal/ 30 million signing bonus/ $35 guaranteed. I figure Allen is a good barometer to this. $18m AAV 2) Resign Wes Schweitzer to a 2 year $10 million deal. Swing inside guy. 3) Resign Taylor Hienicke to a 2 year $12 million deal. This puts him Top 5 backup QB salary. A nice little payday. Has heavy incentives again too. 4) Resign Cole Holcomb to a 3 year $12 million deal. 5) Resign Tyler Larsen to a 1 year $2.5 million deal. 6) Tender Wildgoose, Eifler, and Hudson Notable guys I am letting walk: 1) Reaves - probably my only questionable one, but I like our safeties and I think he gets a nice deal somewhere to play more besides ST. He's earned it. 2) Cam Sims 3) Efe Obada 4) Trai Turner Cap space $22 million  I haven't looked into FA's much yet, but at least my draft could look something like: Washington’s 2023 Draft picks Round 1 - T PARIS JOHNSON JR., OHIO STATE - Could play guard too depending.          (backup option CB JAYLON JONES, TEXAS A&M) Round 2 - TE DALTON KINCAID, UTAH (backup option CB GARRETT WILLIAMS, SYRACUSE) Round 3 (Traded to Indianapolis for Carson Wentz) Round 3 (Comp pick for Brandon Scherff) - CB DJ TURNER, MICHIGAN                      (backup option: K.J. Henry, DE, Clemson) Round 4 - Andrew Vorhees, OG, USC Round 5 - Dee Winters, LB, TCU Round 6 - Eric Gray or Evan Hull, RBs, Oklahoma/ Northwestern Round 6 (Comp pick for Tim Settle) - Yaya Diaby, DE, Louisville Round 7 - Puka Nacua, WR, BYU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) At the 16th pick, what are our possible options: - Trade out of the pick and build up draft capital for a qb next draft. - Michael Mayer TE/Notre Dame #1 ranked TE - Broderick Jones OT/Georgia, #3 ranked OT - Antonio Johnson S/Texas A&M - Trenton Simpson LB/Clemson - Quentin Johnson WR/TCU - Kelee Ringo CB/Georgia - Bijan Robinson RB/ Texas - Cam Smith CB/South Carolina - Clark Phillips CB/Utah - Anthony Richardson QB/Florida - O’Cyrus Torrence OG/Florida I believe Skoronski and Johnson will be gone before we pick that’s why B. Jones is there   Edited January 10, 2023 by ARTMONK HOF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, ARTMONK HOF said: At the 16th pick, what are our possible options: - Trade out of the pick and build up draft capital for a qb next draft. - Michael Mayer TE/Notre Dame #1 ranked TE - Broderick Jones OT/Georgia, #3 ranked OT - Antonio Johnson S/Texas A&M - Trenton Simpson LB/Clemson - Quentin Johnson WR/TCU - Kelee Ringo CB/Georgia - Bijan Robinson RB/ Texas - Cam Smith CB/South Carolina - Clark Phillips CB/Utah I believe Skoronski and Johnson will be gone before we pick that’s why B. Jones is there   QB Anthony Richardson and OG O'Cyrus Torrence should be in the discussion too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, taylor made said: QB Anthony Richardson and OG O'Cyrus Torrence should be in the discussion too I added them.  The number 1 ranked guys at their position: Michael Mayer Bijan Robinson O’Cyrus Torrence At the 16th pick you can get the true best player at a position.  It’s all a questimate.  Edited January 10, 2023 by ARTMONK HOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 1/8/2023 at 8:45 PM, Slappy Mc said: We'll see in 10 years. It may end up like Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers or it may end up like Aaron Rodgers and Jason Campbell. Not comparing their playing styles, but simply saying you never know. Yup. Even ONE spot I don't want to give up if I can help it. And for just such a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 hours ago, taylor made said: QB Anthony Richardson and OG O'Cyrus Torrence should be in the discussion too AR needs so much work. You can't let this staff pick him. He'd immediately go from one OC to another after Rivera goes. I think it would be horrible for a guy who is far away from starting at the next level to be drafted by us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOUCAN Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 54 minutes ago, lavar703 said: AR needs so much work. You can't let this staff pick him. He'd immediately go from one OC to another after Rivera goes. I think it would be horrible for a guy who is far away from starting at the next level to be drafted by us. This. We also need to really consider the fact that if new ownership is in place by the draft, they may not want to go QB this season because Ron will be on a shortened leash. This benefits Howell so much since he's already here. The only way I could see it otherwise is if they swing for the fences on something huge like moving up big time but that would cost a kings ransom. I am not the biggest Stroud fan in the world but if they traded up for him, I think he could work out well. You can't go with a project like Richardson in the first round. Not this year with a shaky coaching staff rife with uncertainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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