The Week 1 Thread: Jacksonville Jaguars vs. Washington Commanders, 1 PM Sunday on FOX

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, MikeT14 said:

Well... it's Evan Engram. So... maybe he just needed a new home. 

Likely to get hurt on his first tackle. 😂 

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I hope this means that Forrest & Juice play near 100% or 100% of the snaps. I don’t trust Butler yet, when we go 3 safeties, I hope Reaves comes in as SS & Forrest moves to Buffalo nickel bc he plays similar to Landon Collins.

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[turtle28]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQHdOhuNdz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
 

Jon Allen vs Ben Bartch should be fun! 😂 

[lavar703]

46 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

 

We’re never going to see the burgundy jerseys are we lol

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2 minutes ago, lavar703 said:

We’re never going to see the burgundy jerseys are we lol

I think on the road we will if we play a team that’s wearing white at home.

[DCNative]

42 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

I hope this means that Forrest & Juice okay near 100% or 100% of the snaps. I don’t trust Butler yet, when we go 3 safeties, I hope Reaves comes in as SS & Forrest moves to Buffalo nickel bc he plays similar to Landon Collins.

These types of things is why I question picks. Butler was chosen yet isn't ready to hit the field. Why isn't your 4th round pick ready to hit the field? 

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, DCNative said:

These types of things is why I question picks. Butler was chosen yet isn't ready to hit the field. Why isn't your 4th round pick ready to hit the field? 

We don’t know that Butler won’t play as the 3rd S & he’s is just a 4th round pick, 4th round picks don’t always contribute  right away, in fact most times they don’t ever start in their careers & they just end up depth. It’s not like he was a 1st or 2nd round pick.
 

What I wrote under is my opinion, it’s not from the article. Darrick Forrest was our 2021 5th round pick. He’s in his second year in the D & played a lot with the first team this preseason when Kam played Buffalo nickel so, he’s more experienced in the D. Forest’s more natural position is also SS, where Curl plays, Forrest is Curls back up,  where Butler is a more natural FS & is McCain’s backup.

If Reaves plays over Butler it would be bc of experience too. Reaves is in his 3rd year in the D. Reaves also in his 4th year in league he has much more experience than Butler. He started 3 games in 2019, played in 9. Started 3 games in 2020 & played in 9. Last year Reaves started 2 games & played in 5, so the coaches know they can trust him to be in the right spots, not blow coverages and do what he’s supposed to do. They don’t know that Butler can do that yet, he blew a few coverages this preseason like the one in the Ravens game where Demarcus Robinson had the long receiving  TD on our D.

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[turtle28]

I say if Logan isn’t 100% that he shouldn’t play. Bates & Cole Turner are back & ready to go. We can survive for a game or 2 w/o Logan until he’s 100.

 

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[DCNative]

2 hours ago, turtle28 said:

We don’t know that Butler won’t play as the 3rd S & he’s is just a 4th round pick, 4th round picks don’t always contribute  right away, in fact most times they don’t ever start in their careers & they just end up depth. It’s not like he was a 1st or 2nd round pick.
 

What I wrote under is my opinion, it’s not from the article. Darrick Forrest was our 2021 5th round pick. He’s in his second year in the D & played a lot with the first team this preseason when Kam played Buffalo nickel so, he’s more experienced in the D. Forest’s more natural position is also SS, where Curl plays, Forrest is Curls back up,  where Butler is a more natural FS & is McCain’s backup.

If Reaves plays over Butler it would be bc of experience too. Reaves is in his 3rd year in the D. Reaves also in his 4th year in league he has much more experience than Butler. He started 3 games in 2019, played in 9. Started 3 games in 2020 & played in 9. Last year Reaves started 2 games & played in 5, so the coaches know they can trust him to be in the right spots, not blow coverages and do what he’s supposed to do. They don’t know that Butler can do that yet, he blew a few coverages this preseason like the one in the Ravens game where Demarcus Robinson had the long receiving  TD on our D.

Any pick should be able to contribute. What's the point of picking a player that doesn't contribute? Cousins was a 4th round pick! So don't say what 4th round picks can't or won't do, and there are plenty more. Butler better be used with Kurl out point blank and simple in my book or it's a wasted pick. Winning Franchises don't draft players not to have them contribute when needed! Even if they don't take Butler there was still plenty of Talent they passed on. Yet they won't use him with Kurl hurt. Makes no sense to me. I don't want to hear about Forrest or Reves because if they actually mattered there would've been no need to draft Butler in the first place. 

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5 hours ago, turtle28 said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CiQHdOhuNdz/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
 

Jon Allen vs Ben Bartch should be fun! 😂 

Seems Allen has this guy beat consistently. Hopefully that continues this Sunday and we come away with the victory. 

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8 hours ago, DCNative said:

Any pick should be able to contribute. What's the point of picking a player that doesn't contribute? Cousins was a 4th round pick! So don't say what 4th round picks can't or won't do, and there are plenty more. Butler better be used with Kurl out point blank and simple in my book or it's a wasted pick. Winning Franchises don't draft players not to have them contribute when needed! Even if they don't take Butler there was still plenty of Talent they passed on. Yet they won't use him with Kurl hurt. Makes no sense to me. I don't want to hear about Forrest or Reves because if they actually mattered there would've been no need to draft Butler in the first place. 

Cousins didn’t contribute much his rookie year until late in the year. The Ravens game was in Nov, so was the Browns game he started and won. Then, Kirk didn’t start well on our offense again until 2014, his 3rd season & he wasn’t our full time starter until 2015, his 4th season. Using him as an example isn’t a good one imo.

A lot of mid round & late round picks are back ups, especially their rookie years. It’s very rare you get a Crowder, Curl or Cole Holcomb as a rookie. Of course I’d argue Cole becoming as starter as a rookie was more a reflection of how poorly our team has invested in the LB position for 15 years ratter than how good Cole was as a rookie. He’s an above average starter & shouldn’t/wouldn’t be the best LB on a great D.

Of course, it’s quite possible I’m wrong & Butler will be our next Curl but, I didn’t see that kind of play/cerebral knowledge & instincts beyond his years out of Butler this preseason as we saw from Curl in 2020 when he was a rookie. I hope I’m wrong though, I’d love nothing more than Butler to be our long term answer at FS & to show he can be as a rookie.

Why are you so stuck on Butler but downplaying Darrick Forrest?

We drafted Forrest also, last year. The best guy/more ready guy should play & judging on all of camp & preseason, that guy is Forrest. As I said Forrest was our 3rd safety in the preseason. He’s the guy will start most likely at SS on Sunday & I expect him to play well, he played pretty well this preseason.

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[lavar703]

8 hours ago, DCNative said:

Any pick should be able to contribute. What's the point of picking a player that doesn't contribute? Cousins was a 4th round pick! So don't say what 4th round picks can't or won't do, and there are plenty more. Butler better be used with Kurl out point blank and simple in my book or it's a wasted pick. Winning Franchises don't draft players not to have them contribute when needed! Even if they don't take Butler there was still plenty of Talent they passed on. Yet they won't use him with Kurl hurt. Makes no sense to me. I don't want to hear about Forrest or Reves because if they actually mattered there would've been no need to draft Butler in the first place. 

This group can’t draft. When Rivera is finally ushered out the new group will have to totally rebuild this thing due to lack of talent. This is what happens when you’re constantly reaching for picks i.e. Jamin Davis/Phidarian Mathis. It takes a massive toll on your roster meanwhile a team like the Ravens just takes the best player on the board year after year and they’re always pretty much loaded with talent. 

[turtle28]

2 hours ago, lavar703 said:

This group can’t draft. When Rivera is finally ushered out the new group will have to totally rebuild this thing due to lack of talent. This is what happens when you’re constantly reaching for picks i.e. Jamin Davis/Phidarian Mathis. It takes a massive toll on your roster meanwhile a team like the Ravens just takes the best player on the board year after year and they’re always pretty much loaded with talent. 

Too early to know on Jamin & Mathis. Generally it’s 3 years until you know if a pick is a bust or now.

I would point to Sam Cosmi as a great draft pick last year. They say that Cosmi might be their best OL going into his 2nd season… seems like a great draft pick!

Juice & Jon Bates still have time to prove you wrong as you hated their selections with a passion. Bates was already a major contributor in year 1 as a blocker & a decent  receiver & we’ll see how, if he’s improved as a receiver in his 2nd year.
 

Forrest showed flashes this preseason that he could be a good 3rd safety, we’ll see a lot of him on Sunday. Shaka Toney looks like he’s going to be a good 3rd down pass rusher that if I was JDR I’d use on 3rd & long & take JSW off the field to get an added pass rush. Toney has great bend, I could see him being just a pass rush specialist who gets 5 sacks a year just playing 3rd & long/definite passing situations. Dax Milne looks like he could be a major contributor too. 
 

I’m a little bit lost on the Ravens comment. You’re assuming based on mock drafts that the guys you want are the best players on the board. Maybe those guys aren’t their top guys on their big board or they don’t fit their system. What I see we’re doing right now is drafting and developing these young guys over years like the Ravens, Steelers, Packers & others like the Bills who are doing that now. 
 

You’re assuming the guys we have that are back ups like BSJ, Dyami, Bates, Forrest, WBK, Toney & Milne won’t develop into good depth for us, maybe more. We’ll get more of a definitive view of if that’s true or not this year it’s an unknown.

Same with this years draft class. For 1, you loved the BRob & Howell draft picks so, you’re ok with them drafting them correct?

Much like the 2020 mid to late round picks we’ll find out if they can play this year and over the next few. I definitely have a good feeling about Dotson, Mathis, BRob, Howell, Cole & Chris Paul our 7th round OG as this years draft picks already. TBD for me from this years draft class is Butler & Christian Holmes. They say they love both of them & they flashed in camp but neither looked great in preseason. Butler blew some coverages - especially in the Ravens game - and from what I saw Holmes was picked on all preseason by 3rd team QBs & 3rd team WRs and didn’t hold up. 

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