The Week 1 Thread: Jacksonville Jaguars vs. Washington Commanders, 1 PM Sunday on FOX

[turtle28]

Rak getting his shine in this Commanders hype video. I’m glad they brought him back to have him do something. He’s often a forgotten guy since he left even though they never have consistently replaced his production as a right edge rusher since they didn’t re-sign him. Preston Smith was inconsistent & Sweat has the potential but only has 2020 as a 9 sack season but still no double digit sack seasons.

I’m hopeful that Sweat gets his break out season this year w/ 12 or 13 sacks. We’ll see though. TBD 

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[taylor made]

I think this is a must win game.. I think they will win. Excited to see what Jahan Dotson brings to the team... and that's about it. 

[DCNative]

2 hours ago, turtle28 said:

Cousins didn’t contribute much his rookie year until late in the year. The Ravens game was in Nov, so was the Browns game he started and won. Then, Kirk didn’t start well on our offense again until 2014, his 3rd season & he wasn’t our full time starter until 2015, his 4th season. Using him as an example isn’t a good one imo.

A lot of mid round & late round picks are back ups, especially their rookie years. It’s very rare you get a Crowder, Curl or Cole Holcomb as a rookie. Of course I’d argue Cole becoming as starter as a rookie was more a reflection of how poorly our team has invested in the LB position for 15 years ratter than how good Cole was as a rookie. He’s an above average starter & shouldn’t/wouldn’t be the best LB on a great D.

Of course, it’s quite possible I’m wrong & Butler will be our next Curl but, I didn’t see that kind of play/cerebral knowledge & instincts beyond his years out of Butler this preseason as we saw from Curl in 2020 when he was a rookie. I hope I’m wrong though, I’d love nothing more than Butler to be our long term answer at FS & to show he can be as a rookie.

Why are you so stuck on Butler but downplaying Darrick Forrest?

We drafted Forrest also, last year. The best guy/more ready guy should play & judging on all of camp & preseason, that guy is Forrest. As I said Forrest was our 3rd safety in the preseason. He’s the guy will start most likely at SS on Sunday & I expect him to play well, he played pretty well this preseason.

You have a excuse for everything. I agree to disagree. Facts say Winning Teams draft go more along the route I write about oppose to you and what Washington does. 

 

[DCNative]

2 hours ago, lavar703 said:

This group can’t draft. When Rivera is finally ushered out the new group will have to totally rebuild this thing due to lack of talent. This is what happens when you’re constantly reaching for picks i.e. Jamin Davis/Phidarian Mathis. It takes a massive toll on your roster meanwhile a team like the Ravens just takes the best player on the board year after year and they’re always pretty much loaded with talent. 

This is why I don't get why @turtle28always wants to argue in favor of Washington when it's proven they aren't a Winning Team. 

[turtle28]

4 hours ago, taylor made said:

I think this is a must win game.. I think they will win. Excited to see what Jahan Dotson brings to the team... and that's about it. 

 

It’d be nice if the stats looked something like this today:

Commanders win 27-20

Wentz: 24-35, 320 yds & 2 TDs

Gibby: 75 yds & 1 TD rushing. 3 recs, 30 yds

McKissic: 25 yds rushing. 5 recs, 40 yds

McLaurin: 7 recs, 90 yds, 1 TD

Samuel: 5 recs, 55 yds

Dotson: 4 recs, 45 yds

Bates: 6 recs, 60 Yds & 1 TD

 

DEFENSE

Sweat: 5 tackles, 3 pressures, 3 QB hits, 1 sack 

Toney: 1 tackles, 1 QB pressure, 1 QB hit

Allen: 5 tackles, 2 QB pressures, 2 QB hits, 1 sack 

Payne: 4 tackles, 1 QB pressure, 1 QB hit

Mathis: 3 tackles

Wise: 2 tackles, 1 QB Pressure 

JSW: 4 tackles, 1 QB pressure, 1 QB hit

Obada: 1 tackle, 1 QB pressure

Holcomb: 9 tackles, 1 pass defensed, 1 QB pressure, 1 QB hit

Jamin: 8 tackles, 1 pass defensed, 1 QB pressure, 1 QB hit

Forrest: 5 tackles, 1 pass defensed

Fuller: 4 tackles, 1 pass defensed, 1 int

WJ3: 4 tackles, 1 pass defensed

Juice: 3 tackles, 1 pass defensed

Reaves: 4 tackles 

McCain: 3 tackles, 1 pass defensed 

 

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[turtle28]

12 minutes ago, DCNative said:

You have a excuse for everything. I agree to disagree. Facts say Winning Teams draft go more along the route I write about oppose to you and what Washington does. 

 

We’ll see what happens. I wouldn’t say I have an excuse for everything, but I have a reason why things may be how they are and when we don’t have an answer one way or another on something I’m open to the possibility that it’s not what the 100% pessimists think all the time.

Washington has been drafting and building that way more than they’ve been signing big name FAs to huge contracts since 2010. 
 

Where have you been?

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[turtle28]

8 minutes ago, DCNative said:

This is why I don't get why @turtle28always wants to argue in favor of Washington when it's proven they aren't a Winning Team. 

What I’m saying is we don’t know yet if they’re draft picks the last 2 years will work out and be good or not. If you know that  Jamin, Cosmi, Juice, Dyami, Bates, Forrest, Toney, WBK & Milne are busts after just playing 1 year or that Dotson, Mathis, BRob, Butler, Howell, Cole Turner, Chris Paul & Christian Holmes are going to be busts before they ever play a regular season game in the NFL & you have that answer & Crystal Ball we’ll you better go play the lottery bro! 
 

[DCNative]

5 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

We’ll see what happens. I wouldn’t say I have an excuse for everything, but I have a reason why things may be how they are and when we don’t have an answer one way or another on something I’m open to the possibility that it’s not what the 100% pessimists think all the time.

Washington has been drafting and building that way more than they’ve been signing big name FAs to huge contracts since 2010. 
 

Where have you been?

They way they have been drafting has gotten them where sir? I think 1 playoff Win! But yea keep Hope Alive when nothing they do is turning us into a Winning Super Bowl Team! 

[DCNative]

1 minute ago, turtle28 said:

What I’m saying is we don’t know yet if they’re draft picks the last 2 years will work out and be good or not. If you know that  Jamin, Cosmi, Juice, Dyami, Bates, Forrest, Toney, WBK & Milne are busts after just playing 1 year or that Dotson, Mathis, BRob, Butler, Howell, Cole Turner, Chris Paul & Christian Holmes are going to be busts before they ever play a regular season game in the NFL & you have that answer & Crystal Ball we’ll you better go play the lottery bro! 
 

I know I'm a better drafter than Washington. Many of Us can say that and that's a Big Problem!

[turtle28]

1 minute ago, DCNative said:

They way they have been drafting has gotten them where sir? I think 1 playoff Win! But yea keep Hope Alive when nothing they do is turning us into a Winning Super Bowl Team! 

Well maybe they shouldn’t be building through the draft then, bc that’s not working! 😂 

[DCNative]

2 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Well maybe they shouldn’t be building through the draft then, bc that’s not working! 😂 

You build through the draft and dip and dab in Free Agency. That's what seems to work for Winning Franchises. Also having good personnel in the Front Office and Coaching Staff. 

[turtle28]

19 minutes ago, DCNative said:

You build through the draft and dip and dab in Free Agency. That's what seems to work for Winning Franchises. Also having good personnel in the Front Office and Coaching Staff. 

Well my man, that’s what Washington has been doing more often than not since Shanahan was hired in 2010 & they’re continuing to do that so that’s when I push back on people who say that they need to do that. My argument is they are & have been now for 11 years.

The bolded has been the bigger issue since Dan hired Cerrato & it hasn’t changed much in the last 12 years w/ the hiring of Shanahan/Bruce/Kyle Smith, McCloughan/Gruden & Rivera/Mayhew.

Now I 100% agree that they don’t always draft the right players & have failed often in developing/coaching many of their 2nd round & later picks into good/great starters.

As I pointed out to Lavar we haven’t had a good/consistent 2nd round pick since Preston Smith & even he wasn’t always consistent. Two years of 4 sacks, 2 years of 8 sacks in Washington, that’s not exactly Kerrigan or Orakpo production as DE/OLB. 
 

Other than him, you have to go back to Fred Davis who was good at times, but rarely great. Then, Rocky McIntosh in 06 to when they hit on a 2nd rnd pick. It’s effin ridiculous. Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, Jarvis Jenkins, David Amerson, Trent Murphy, Sua Cravens, Ryan Anderson & Derrius Guice didn’t give us much, if anything going back to the 2008 draft.

I think out of all our draft picks over the last 15 years, the 2nd round misses have been our biggest issue. We have barely hit on 2nd round picks since 2008 & that’s reflective on the field too. We’ve hit on more mid round, late round & undrafted guys than we have 2nd round picks in the last 15 years. That’s held us back.

A 2nd round pick should at least develop into a serviceable starter if not, a good starter but we haven’t gotten that.

I’m that Sam Cosmi will end that drought!

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[DCNative]

16 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Well my man, that’s what Washington has been doing more often than not since Shanahan was hired in 2010 & they’re continuing to do that so that’s when I push back on people who say that they need to do that. My argument is they are & have been now for 11 years.

The bolded has been the bigger issue since Dan hired Cerrato & it hasn’t changed much in the last 12 years w/ the hiring of Shanahan/Bruce/Kyle Smith, McCloughan/Gruden & Rivera/Mayhew.

Now I 100% agree that they don’t always draft the right players & have failed often in developing/coaching many of their 2nd round & later picks into good/great starters.

As I pointed out to Lavar we haven’t had a good/consistent 2nd round pick since Preston Smith & even he wasn’t always consistent. Two years of 4 sacks, 2 years of 8 sacks in Washington, that’s not exactly Kerrigan or Orakpo production as DE/OLB. 
 

Other than him, you have to go back to Fred Davis who was good at times, but rarely great. Then, Rocky McIntosh in 06 to when they hit on a 2nd rnd pick. It’s effin ridiculous. Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, Jarvis Jenkins, David Amerson, Trent Murphy, Sua Cravens, Ryan Anderson & Derrius Guice didn’t give us much, if anything going back to the 2008 draft.

I think out of all our draft picks over the last 15 years, the 2nd round misses have been our biggest issue. We have barely hit on 2nd round picks since 2008 & that’s reflective on the field too. We’ve hit on more mid round, late round & undrafted guys than we have 2nd round picks in the last 15 years. That’s held us back.

A 2nd round pick should at least develop into a serviceable starter if not, a good starter but we haven’t gotten that.

I’m that Sam Cosmi will end that drought!

Bro your holding on for dear life with this franchise. Your also proven my points on why Change is Necessary. 

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, DCNative said:

Bro your holding on for dear life with this franchise. Your also proven my points on why Change is Necessary. 

If you don’t like this franchise, you’re free to leave it and find someone else to root for it. It is what it is, I don’t like the results either but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt since Jack Kent Cooke died & didn’t keep the team in the family so that his sons could’ve taken over in 1999.

Change what though? As I pointed out, they’ve been largely drafting and developing since 2010 & that’s not working either.

It just is what it is. I also don’t think that changing the entire structure of the entire football operation every 4 or 5 years is working either. I get if it’s not working, but firing Rivera, Mayhew, Hurney, Rogers & the entire coaching staff again after this year is starting off at ground zero again & it likely be another 3 to 5 years if we were even good again, if that after cleaning house again.

It’s been a never ending cycle with this team since 99. I hope the team performs better this year with Carson at QB & w/ the added weapons on offense bc I’m tired of the revolving door.

[DCNative]

32 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

If you don’t like this franchise, you’re free to leave it and find someone else to root for it. It is what it is, I don’t like the results either but it’s the hand we’ve been dealt since Jack Kent Cooke died & didn’t keep the team in the family so that his sons could’ve taken over in 1999.

Change what though? As I pointed out, they’ve been largely drafting and developing since 2010 & that’s not working either.

It just is what it is. I also don’t think that changing the entire structure of the entire football operation every 4 or 5 years is working either. I get if it’s not working, but firing Rivera, Mayhew, Hurney, Rogers & the entire coaching staff again after this year is starting off at ground zero again & it likely be another 3 to 5 years if we were even good again, if that after cleaning house again.

It’s been a never ending cycle with this team since 99. I hope the team performs better this year with Carson at QB & w/ the added weapons on offense bc I’m tired of the revolving door.

Find a Coach and GM that know what it takes to build a Winning Team. Hire the correct people in the Scouting department to improve your draft production on the field. 

Your Coach has to be able to get production from his players. McVay and Kyle Shanahan have been able to get production aka wins from the players they coach. The players buy into the system because it's Productive for the Player. Rivera on the other hand Military love doesn't. He needs to go. The Bengals just made the Super Bowl with a young coach that puts his players in positions beneficial for them.