Mr. Fussnputz Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Just my 2 cents, but if J'mon Moore doesn't become more consistent catching the ball, he won't make this team, even with 4th round status. I agree. He's PS material until he shows he can catch the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Jaegybomb said: Not sure if they showed it on TV but there was one play where Kizer ran around for a solid 5 seconds, looked up and all 3 rookie WRs were standing still in the endzone 40 yards downfield covered. On the flip side MVS ran some great routes. He sold a hook and go so well the defender fell and there was no one within 10 yards of him but the QB didn't see it. The scramble drill is a learned experience. If the play evolved as detailed, the coaches will note it and further the WR's education. Especially in The Land of AR (where no play is ever over because he extends and extends and.......) WRs dont stop running till the ball hits the ground. They'll learn that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 17 minutes ago, Mr. Fussnputz said: I agree. He's PS material until he shows he can catch the ball. He'd get snagged faster than the you can blink....and the diatribe against Gute for exposing/losing him can begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 19 minutes ago, Leader said: He'd get snagged faster than the you can blink....and the diatribe against Gute for exposing/losing him can begin. If he can't catch consistently, let him get snagged. He needs to step it up because he doesn't get better separation, and he doesn't catch consistently. At this point he is nothing but potential IMO. We always worry about players getting snagged, but I don't remember a WR snagged at cutdowns that went on to be significant elsewhere. Anybody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: If he can't catch consistently, let him get snagged. He needs to step it up because he doesn't get better separation, and he doesn't catch consistently. At this point he is nothing but potential IMO. We always worry about players getting snagged, but I don't remember a WR snagged at cutdowns that went on to be significant elsewhere. Anybody? Not disagreeing that everyone is over worried about somebody getting snagged, but Moore's issue wasn't separation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 27 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: At this point he is nothing but potential IMO There ya go. You nailed it. Exactly right. He (and the other rookie WRs) are nothing but potential at this point. Potential that just played its first handful of snaps in its first professional game. It takes time. It always takes time. Hands can be developed. Hand / eye coordination cant be developed - and now that these guys have nothing to do but enhance their professional skills - that should be both their (and their coaches) goal. Apparently JMo came out of college with a reputation for hands of stone (to some degree) - so he needs some NFL strength coaching. Outside of his hands - word I got from all concerned was that he was Davante-lite and the most "prepared" to take the next step. When we drafted all these guys I welcomed the competition at the position. It was needed - badly IMO - as beyond the starting group we had questionable talents with unremarkable NFL journeys too date. So good - bring them on board. Height. Speed. Innate talent - and yes - potential. Thats what they all represent at this stage - and last night - granted in a game that doesnt matter, we got a taste of what some of these guys can do. WE invested in this potential with the understanding it would take time to develop it to its fullest. I at least consider that potential - that investment - too great to risk putting on the tail end of somebody elses roster - because we need the competition at the position IMO. Because we need the infusion of talent at the position IMO and because they're a bird in our hand at the moment. It's nowhere but up from here....and that takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Just my 2 cents, but if J'mon Moore doesn't become more consistent catching the ball, he won't make this team, even with 4th round status. It was his first preseason game as a rookie. He was getting open off the line. He'll clean it up. I'd put money on all of those rookies WRs are making the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 After one game and knowing the Packers I'd be shocked to see any of the 3 rookies get cut. If anything, best case scenario would be an "injury" to one of them so you could stash him on IR. If not, them plus Adams and Cobb equal 5. Allison is probably a lock for 2018 even though he's has very little upside compared to the rookies. You could cut Allison but that's a risk for this year. If he's six, that leaves Kumerow v. Davis for a probable 7 spot. Jekyll and Hyde there because Davis is basically a ST-only guy but no one seems to be challenging him for the PR spot. Yancey IMO has no shot at making this team absent 2-3 major injuries in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Lol fans are impatient, throwing J'mon under the bus after one preseason game? Feels like D. Adam's all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, St Vince said: Lol fans are impatient, throwing J'mon under the bus after one preseason game? Feels like D. Adam's all over. Totally. Listen to MM's Post game interview. He's clearly saying he's pleased with Moore's ability to get separation https://www.packers.com/video/mccarthy-wrs-qbs-shine-in-preseason-opener Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: ....At this point he is nothing but potential IMO. We always worry about players getting snagged, but I don't remember a WR snagged at cutdowns that went on to be significant elsewhere. Anybody? I can't either. Charles Johnson looked pretty good for Vikings for a while, but he was constantly injured and never produced all that much. I'm kinda hesitant to believe that "hands" are a learnable skill. Gute rationalized his college drops as looking towards YAC before completing catches, rather than bad hands. Maybe, but I think perhaps BOTH hands and YAC-distraction may have been at fault? That said, I'm not sure TT ever cut any WR with the "nothing but potential" that Moore has? He greatly valued "potential", so tended to hold high-ceiling guys. I certainly don't recall him cutting any 4th round WR. (Or maybe the punt-return specialist from his 2nd draft??) Moore obviously has considerable athleticism and talent. Both hands and smarts/instincts/routes are invaluable. The odds that Moore is going to develop both isn't great. But to me I think the "nothing but potential" potential is too large to give it away, this quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I'm with Leader, I really love the evident talent/potential that all three tall, variably fast rookies have. Have felt like we've been working with skill-guys working around sub-par talent at WR for a while. With Cobb and GMO as 2/3 of the starters, that's probably still going to be true in terms of the guys getting snaps. But seems like with all three of the rookies, these seem to be good-talent prospects, working around sub-par skill. Kind of fun to imagine a future where the skill hopefully comes up to to league normal, and where the evident talent can be put to effective use. With Leader, I love the speed and the length. All kinds of "stretch-the-field" potential; lots of red-zone potential too; and I think lots of possession potential too. Got to think corners will need to respect deep and thus be a shade more vulnerable short. And with all that length, got to think if guys can get two steps beyond the first-down line, there will always be vertical window for converting. And horizontal too; since even tight coverage can't have corner on all four sides of a guy, particularly a long-armed guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, craig said: I can't either. Charles Johnson looked pretty good for Vikings for a while, but he was constantly injured and never produced all that much. I'm kinda hesitant to believe that "hands" are a learnable skill. Gute rationalized his college drops as looking towards YAC before completing catches, rather than bad hands. Maybe, but I think perhaps BOTH hands and YAC-distraction may have been at fault? That said, I'm not sure TT ever cut any WR with the "nothing but potential" that Moore has? He greatly valued "potential", so tended to hold high-ceiling guys. I certainly don't recall him cutting any 4th round WR. (Or maybe the punt-return specialist from his 2nd draft??) Moore obviously has considerable athleticism and talent. Both hands and smarts/instincts/routes are invaluable. The odds that Moore is going to develop both isn't great. But to me I think the "nothing but potential" potential is too large to give it away, this quickly. I don't think they are either, but i think sometimes young WR's just struggle with drops as the game is slowing down for them. As someone else pointed out Davante sure had issues with drops when he was younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman5252 Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I don't want to get knee jerky from a preseason game. I watched the first half about about half of the second. I thought all the wrs showed something Moore showed he could get open physically, which is a skill. Those hands though (and just securing securing catches). Scantling made some plays. I was happy to see that. ESB was solid. He needs to not body check as much though. Yancey has improved a lot. I thought he ran nice routes, got open, had a few stick catches. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 I shouldn't say it, probably, but in retrospect I'm not sure I'd want Jordy back right now even if they could have had him on a $5/1 deal. I'm enjoying the fun of moving on with the Buildican guys. (Granted, might feel differently once it's real season and I'm more interested in wins....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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