Mox Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 15 hours ago, Malik said: That Falcons defense was also awful. One of the worst in the league that year. If you're the "Most Talented QB in the History of the NFL" you would would think you'd win against some of this "insurmountable" defenses. No one blames him for losing to Arizona in his 1st playoff game. Every said he played spectacular. His teams scored more because he was getting blown out in a couple of them and made some garbage time touchdowns. He threw 3 touchdowns in said Atlanta game. They were up 31-0 before he scored. Next year against SF they were down 27 before the offense finally scored. He gets very little criticism from his poor play in the playoffs in the way significantly less talented QBs have. Falcons-13 play 80 yard drive, TD Packers-7 play 52 yard drive, missed FG (41 yards) Falcons-12 play 59 yard drive, FG Packers-7 play 64 yard drive, FB fumbles Falcons-9 play 80 yard drive, TD. Aaron Rodgers at this point: 8/10 97 yards, and down 17-0 halfway through the second quarter. He didn't even play well that game but putting that loss on him is ridiculous. Also tough to put a game where the defense allowed 285 yards on nearly 7 ypc on him too. Rodgers has by no means been a world beater in the playoffs but rarely is he the primary reason the Packers lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFP7 Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Bullet Club said: Falcons-13 play 80 yard drive, TD Packers-7 play 52 yard drive, missed FG (41 yards) Falcons-12 play 59 yard drive, FG Packers-7 play 64 yard drive, FB fumbles Falcons-9 play 80 yard drive, TD. Aaron Rodgers at this point: 8/10 97 yards, and down 17-0 halfway through the second quarter. He didn't even play well that game but putting that loss on him is ridiculous. Also tough to put a game where the defense allowed 285 yards on nearly 7 ypc on him too. Rodgers has by no means been a world beater in the playoffs but rarely is he the primary reason the Packers lose. patriots were down 21-3 at half to the same falcons too. Pats d holds them to 7 the rest of the way, packers d gives up another 20 second half points. There are so many years of playoff losses to hold against rodgers, 2016 has never been one of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 (edited) Tom Brady’s postseason win percentage in games where he had a QB rating <80 is 11-5. He’s won as many playoff games while playing poorly as Rodgers has won playoff games period. This is an absurd outlier among top QBs. The only top QB in Modern NFL history with a record anywhere close in games with QB rating <80 is Peyton Manning at 5-6 and two of those wins were in his final season when he got carried. Brees, Rodgers and Manning have a combined losing post season records in all games where their QB rating is <110 (19-30 combined) but Brady has a record of 26-10 in those games. In general the reason why Tom Brady’s post season career is so much better is very simple. Brady’s always had an elite defense. When your defense gives up a touchdown less per game than other top QBs do historically you are going to win much more often. The difference between being spotted 6 points is the difference between a game being a pickem or a team being a 70 to 80% favorite. This is closely models the historic post season win rates where Brady a 75% career win rate and Rodgers / Manning / Brees have 50-55% win rates because their defense is ~6 points worse. another point is that when an elite QB gets injured and has to be replaced by a backup the line typically swings 8 points. Again this is consistent with the Patriots maintaining good to great records when Brady misses time but the Packers and Colts falling apart when Rodgers and Manning missed games. I think there’s some other harder to qualify things in there too. I think players believe more in Brady and might fight harder. I also think Brady is better at checking into running plays. However I am absolutely certain the main driver is because Brady’s supporting cast has been 6-7 points better than his contemporaries because BB is the goat. Tom Brady’s career has been unique because he’s the only elite QB to play on the weaker side of the ball on his teams the majority of his career. Edited September 27, 2022 by roger murdock 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaFellSBXLIXMVP Posted September 27, 2022 Share Posted September 27, 2022 4 hours ago, roger murdock said: Tom Brady’s postseason win percentage in games where he had a QB rating <80 is 11-5. He’s won as many playoff games while playing poorly as Rodgers has won playoff games period. This is an absurd outlier among top QBs. The only top QB in Modern NFL history with a record anywhere close in games with QB rating <80 is Peyton Manning at 5-6 and two of those wins were in his final season when he got carried. How many of those games were in the old NFL? I suspect a lot of those wins were prior the changes NFL made in its' rules and interpretations of rules to blatantly favor QBs over defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Qualify Brady's success any way you want. Game is on the line, you need a score to win... who do you trust? Brady, hands down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 48 minutes ago, LaFellSBXLIXMVP said: How many of those games were in the old NFL? I suspect a lot of those wins were prior the changes NFL made in its' rules and interpretations of rules to blatantly favor QBs over defenses. 2001 - 2006 before he was an MVP level player - 7 total (5-2) 2007 - 2017 when he was arguably best player in league - 7 total (4-3) 2018 - now when he was still great but not as good (3-1) Pretty evenly distributed but less frequent when he was at his peak (but his team was worse then hence less winning) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Watch the 2020 NFC Title Game for your answer. Which team got the calls, and which team didn't? Brady is preferred by the NFL and the government (since 9/11). Rodgers isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 12 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: Watch the 2020 NFC Title Game for your answer. Which team got the calls, and which team didn't? Brady is preferred by the NFL and the government (since 9/11). Rodgers isn't. Yeah two buildings in New York went down so the NFL conspired for a team from Boston to win. Then the NFL spent a million dollars to punish Brady but then helped him win the Super Bowl that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 51 minutes ago, lancerman said: Yeah two buildings in New York went down so the NFL conspired for a team from Boston to win. Then the NFL spent a million dollars to punish Brady but then helped him win the Super Bowl that year. Yeah, but what is that team in Boston called? That's right, the Patriots. We're all Patriots, and the Patriots are the Super Bowl Champions. Just can't believe that happened naturally when you have a billion dollar business such as the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 2:17 PM, roger murdock said: Tom Brady’s postseason win percentage in games where he had a QB rating <80 is 11-5. He’s won as many playoff games while playing poorly as Rodgers has won playoff games period. This is an absurd outlier among top QBs. The only top QB in Modern NFL history with a record anywhere close in games with QB rating <80 is Peyton Manning at 5-6 and two of those wins were in his final season when he got carried. Brees, Rodgers and Manning have a combined losing post season records in all games where their QB rating is <110 (19-30 combined) but Brady has a record of 26-10 in those games. In general the reason why Tom Brady’s post season career is so much better is very simple. Brady’s always had an elite defense. When your defense gives up a touchdown less per game than other top QBs do historically you are going to win much more often. The difference between being spotted 6 points is the difference between a game being a pickem or a team being a 70 to 80% favorite. This is closely models the historic post season win rates where Brady a 75% career win rate and Rodgers / Manning / Brees have 50-55% win rates because their defense is ~6 points worse. another point is that when an elite QB gets injured and has to be replaced by a backup the line typically swings 8 points. Again this is consistent with the Patriots maintaining good to great records when Brady misses time but the Packers and Colts falling apart when Rodgers and Manning missed games. I think there’s some other harder to qualify things in there too. I think players believe more in Brady and might fight harder. I also think Brady is better at checking into running plays. However I am absolutely certain the main driver is because Brady’s supporting cast has been 6-7 points better than his contemporaries because BB is the goat. Tom Brady’s career has been unique because he’s the only elite QB to play on the weaker side of the ball on his teams the majority of his career. Awesome post Roger. I would even throw in the elite special teams component. Rodgers has been a victim whereas a lot of those late game Brady heroics were most memorable with Vinatieri kicks or the Packers missing opportunities on onside kicks and such. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted October 8, 2022 Author Share Posted October 8, 2022 9 hours ago, 7DnBrnc53 said: Yeah, but what is that team in Boston called? That's right, the Patriots. We're all Patriots, and the Patriots are the Super Bowl Champions. Just can't believe that happened naturally when you have a billion dollar business such as the NFL. I’m ready for the thread to be locked after this commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 Easy answer. Brady and Belichick were cheaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 9, 2022 Share Posted October 9, 2022 Rodgers sulks and wants to play hero ball too often as well. That has cost him and GB a lot of team success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 On 10/7/2022 at 10:27 PM, 7DnBrnc53 said: Yeah, but what is that team in Boston called? That's right, the Patriots. We're all Patriots, and the Patriots are the Super Bowl Champions. Just can't believe that happened naturally when you have a billion dollar business such as the NFL. Theres something to this Also 2021 is when Lamb came out, and then the Rams won the Super Bowl 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, Malfatron said: Theres something to this Also 2021 is when Lamb came out, and then the Rams won the Super Bowl can't have lamb w/o ram because of sheep reproduction logistics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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