JDBrocks Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, twslhs20 said: You say everything different, and we can't make comparisons. I'm saying there has been very little statistical improvement from last year. perhaps the minimal statistical improvement is related to all of those things being different and the quality of opponents? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 5 hours ago, JDBrocks said: perhaps the minimal statistical improvement is related to all of those things being different and the quality of opponents? The argument was the coaching staff was the problem. The systems are new, but you get extra practice time in the off season to implement schemes. the DVOA is adjusted for opponents. I think what we are seeing is players can't execute.The defense is devoid of talent, like last year, and now we are seeing similar trends. Until we can shed the bad contracts on the team, and infuse the defense with better talent, this will continue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 16 minutes ago, twslhs20 said: The argument was the coaching staff was the problem. The systems are new, but you get extra practice time in the off season to implement schemes. the DVOA is adjusted for opponents. I think what we are seeing is players can't execute.The defense is devoid of talent, like last year, and now we are seeing similar trends. Until we can shed the bad contracts on the team, and infuse the defense with better talent, this will continue. Rome wasn't built in a day 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Bercich and O'Connell doing film study on a few key plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, twslhs20 said: The argument was the coaching staff was the problem. The systems are new, but you get extra practice time in the off season to implement schemes. the DVOA is adjusted for opponents. I think what we are seeing is players can't execute.The defense is devoid of talent, like last year, and now we are seeing similar trends. Until we can shed the bad contracts on the team, and infuse the defense with better talent, this will continue. Not sure your point? You can't replace that many players in one year, especially given the contracts they inherited. No doubt Zimmer had some say in those, and the players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 3 hours ago, twslhs20 said: The argument was the coaching staff was the problem. The systems are new, but you get extra practice time in the off season to implement schemes. the DVOA is adjusted for opponents. I think what we are seeing is players can't execute.The defense is devoid of talent, like last year, and now we are seeing similar trends. Until we can shed the bad contracts on the team, and infuse the defense with better talent, this will continue. Not sure your point? You can't replace that many players in one year, especially given the contracts they inherited. No doubt Zimmer had some say in those, and the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Many of the same players. Many of those players playing at a similar level. The team started 2021 with a 1-3 record, the 2022 team has started with a 3-1 record. Maybe coaching was part of the issue. 🤷♂️ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 11 hours ago, vike daddy said: Bercich and O'Connell doing film study on a few key plays. Keep posting these as long as they keep posting them, ive watched the last 2 and have really enjoyed them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Phil Mackey is insufferable. If Kirk *doesn't* throw this to Mundt and gives Thielen enough time to make his break or lofts it, the underneath CB is going to drop back to Thielen and take that play away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Yes, at some point you have to just stop with trying to get all into the minutiae of what could have happened if an alternate choice had been made...in a game in which the team won. You just drive yourself mad and don't allow yourself to be happy about anything...I know a bunch of people that are like that about other topics as well. 🤣 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingsrule Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 1 hour ago, JDBrocks said: Phil Mackey is insufferable. If Kirk *doesn't* throw this to Mundt and gives Thielen enough time to make his break or lofts it, the underneath CB is going to drop back to Thielen and take that play away. Don’t even mind taking the safe choice, easy first down to Mundt. Would have been first and goal with Mundt potentially picking up some YAC. Even if he wanted to hit Thielen it would have take a near perfect throw with a CB potentially dropping back to cover. Generally prefer the more aggressive decision to throw to Thielen but we’re honestly not talking about this play if Mundt catches that. TE has to be a priority next year. Smith is a disappointment and Mundt is just a guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 I don’t think this went the way Mackey was expecting… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 Cant believe that play is getting nit picked, seems like the right decision to my uninformed butt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 hours ago, SemperFeist said: I don’t think this went the way Mackey was expecting… Love Boone’s segment on this show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 13 hours ago, SemperFeist said: Many of the same players. Many of those players playing at a similar level. The team started 2021 with a 1-3 record, the 2022 team has started with a 3-1 record. Maybe coaching was part of the issue. 🤷♂️ 70/30 talent/scheme imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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