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Week 5: Bears (2-2) at VIKINGS (3-1)


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14 hours ago, swede700 said:

I didn't watch him play, but according to his "box score", he could run and that's it...and when you basically have 2 picks for every TD you throw, that probably wouldn't be considered effective.  

My comment was "tounge in cheek" and really meant for those who saw him play.  He ran like Josh Allen, and had a powerful arm like Josh Allen, but had the accuracy of Mr. Magoo!  His passes were like having a powerful missile aimed at Moscow, but hitting Los Angeles instead. He could've thrown the ball through a brick wall, but on the attempt he'd overthrow the building!

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1 hour ago, Captain Relax said:

My comment was "tounge in cheek" and really meant for those who saw him play.  He ran like Josh Allen, and had a powerful arm like Josh Allen, but had the accuracy of Mr. Magoo!  His passes were like having a powerful missile aimed at Moscow, but hitting Los Angeles instead. He could've thrown the ball through a brick wall, but on the attempt he'd overthrow the building!

So he was Mike Vick until Mike learned how to pass somewhat effectively (still not great)?

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17 hours ago, mattyice0401 said:

How does DVOA work again?

DVOA analyzes a teams statistical performance by play adjusted for the situation and opponent.

It’s trying to normalize the outcome of any given play in aggregate in an attempt to make comparisons more apples-to-apples.
 

A team that has played the Lions and Seahawks defenses is going to have better looking offensive numbers than a team that played the Eagles and Buccaneers defenses. This is an attempt to adjust for that.

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28 minutes ago, swede700 said:

And Russ is 3 months younger than Kirk.  

While not necessarily a causation, I believe there is a correlation between number of hits a QB takes and how long they will effectively play.  Kirk has taken a lot less hits over his career than Russ or Ryan.  While not entirely accurate, since QBs will get hit more than just on sacks, here are their sack percentages throughout their careers:

Kirk/Matt: 5.4%

Russ:  8.3%

While Kirk and Matt may have the same percentage, over the past 5 years (since Matt turned 33), his numbers have gone up dramatically (6.5, 7.2, 6.1, 6.7, and 9.7), so it was a lot lower than the 5.4 that it is now overall.  And Russ has been continuously pounded over his career by a mostly terrible Seahawks OL.   

If the OL for the Vikings can hold up pretty well as they have over the last 2 years (last yr and this yr so far), Kirk should be okay and could be rather effective into his late 30s...but if he takes a similar punishment as he did from 2017-2020 (last yr in WA and first 3 yrs here), then he'll likely drop off dramatically.  

 

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47 minutes ago, JDBrocks said:

DVOA analyzes a teams statistical performance by play adjusted for the situation and opponent.

It’s trying to normalize the outcome of any given play in aggregate in an attempt to make comparisons more apples-to-apples.
 

A team that has played the Lions and Seahawks defenses is going to have better looking offensive numbers than a team that played the Eagles and Buccaneers defenses. This is an attempt to adjust for that.

Im aware of what it is, i just forget if a negative number is better than a positive number or vise versa.

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