Sad People Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 How does DVOA work again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 14 hours ago, swede700 said: I didn't watch him play, but according to his "box score", he could run and that's it...and when you basically have 2 picks for every TD you throw, that probably wouldn't be considered effective. My comment was "tounge in cheek" and really meant for those who saw him play. He ran like Josh Allen, and had a powerful arm like Josh Allen, but had the accuracy of Mr. Magoo! His passes were like having a powerful missile aimed at Moscow, but hitting Los Angeles instead. He could've thrown the ball through a brick wall, but on the attempt he'd overthrow the building! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Captain Relax said: My comment was "tounge in cheek" and really meant for those who saw him play. He ran like Josh Allen, and had a powerful arm like Josh Allen, but had the accuracy of Mr. Magoo! His passes were like having a powerful missile aimed at Moscow, but hitting Los Angeles instead. He could've thrown the ball through a brick wall, but on the attempt he'd overthrow the building! So he was Mike Vick until Mike learned how to pass somewhat effectively (still not great)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skywindO2 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 At least we don’t have Ryan or Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, skywindO2 said: At least we don’t have Ryan or Wilson It's nice not having to be a potential destination for all the qbs changing teams on their last legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, skywindO2 said: At least we don’t have Ryan or Wilson And Russ is 3 months younger than Kirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 2 hours ago, swede700 said: So he was Mike Vick until Mike learned how to pass somewhat effectively (still not great)? Vick was ALWAYS a better passer than Douglas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Captain Relax said: Vick was ALWAYS a better passer than Douglas. That's not good. 😅 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 17 hours ago, mattyice0401 said: How does DVOA work again? DVOA analyzes a teams statistical performance by play adjusted for the situation and opponent. It’s trying to normalize the outcome of any given play in aggregate in an attempt to make comparisons more apples-to-apples. A team that has played the Lions and Seahawks defenses is going to have better looking offensive numbers than a team that played the Eagles and Buccaneers defenses. This is an attempt to adjust for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 7, 2022 Author Share Posted October 7, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, swede700 said: And Russ is 3 months younger than Kirk. While not necessarily a causation, I believe there is a correlation between number of hits a QB takes and how long they will effectively play. Kirk has taken a lot less hits over his career than Russ or Ryan. While not entirely accurate, since QBs will get hit more than just on sacks, here are their sack percentages throughout their careers: Kirk/Matt: 5.4% Russ: 8.3% While Kirk and Matt may have the same percentage, over the past 5 years (since Matt turned 33), his numbers have gone up dramatically (6.5, 7.2, 6.1, 6.7, and 9.7), so it was a lot lower than the 5.4 that it is now overall. And Russ has been continuously pounded over his career by a mostly terrible Seahawks OL. If the OL for the Vikings can hold up pretty well as they have over the last 2 years (last yr and this yr so far), Kirk should be okay and could be rather effective into his late 30s...but if he takes a similar punishment as he did from 2017-2020 (last yr in WA and first 3 yrs here), then he'll likely drop off dramatically. Edited October 7, 2022 by swede700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 47 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: DVOA analyzes a teams statistical performance by play adjusted for the situation and opponent. It’s trying to normalize the outcome of any given play in aggregate in an attempt to make comparisons more apples-to-apples. A team that has played the Lions and Seahawks defenses is going to have better looking offensive numbers than a team that played the Eagles and Buccaneers defenses. This is an attempt to adjust for that. Im aware of what it is, i just forget if a negative number is better than a positive number or vise versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikeManDan Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I'm bracing for another ugly game. Hopefully I'm proven wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, mattyice0401 said: Im aware of what it is, i just forget if a negative number is better than a positive number or vise versa. Good offenses have positive numbers, good defenses have negative numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad People Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Good offenses have positive numbers, good defenses have negative numbers. That’s what I was forgetting. Thanks for the help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 No excuses for the passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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