How 🔥 is McDaniels Seat?

[NCOUGHMAN]

1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said:

I think 2 meetings with any owner for 2 embarrassing losses in less than a half season of football is grounds for a seat already being warm. 

This team was not the 11+ win team we hoped. 

This team isn't the 8-9 win team that may get a lick extra win or two its talent level would indicate. 

This team is a team that really shouldn't be favored in any games ahead of us and could very well be lucky to break 4 wins. 

Even the most pessimistic fans had us as a mediocre team to start the season. Nobody had us as potential top 5 pick level bad, certainly not Mark Davis. 

 

I like to think each meeting is a strike so one more and that’s it

[drfrey13]

2 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Playoffs??!!?? Lol

2% chance is pretty much zero.  Odds makers still have the Texans with a chance.  Can't say 100% until it is 100%.

[NYRaider]

2 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

I think McDaniels might try to make Carr his scapegoat. I put my tin foil hat on a few weeks back and said McDaniels is going to try and get rid of Carr.  It is a long shot but he may be forced to make Davis pick between him and Carr to try and save his job.  If the defense was the only weak link he could have just fired Graham for the slow start and saved his job.

I mean continuing to build around an average QB that has shown he can’t produce at an elite level and has a losing record in 7/9 seasons doesn’t seem like a great plan.  

[Darbsk]

3 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

2% chance is pretty much zero.  Odds makers still have the Texans with a chance.  Can't say 100% until it is 100%.

We also dont know which are the real Raiders, the team that went toe to toe with the Chiefs or the team that capitulated yesterday? 
Easiest thing in the world is to over react, I’m still retaining some patience and see how this thing plays out. I don’t believe we are actually as bad as we portrayed yesterday. I guess I’m in a minority now though 😄

Edited October 31, 2022 by Darbsk

[RaidersAreOne]

[drfrey13]

22 minutes ago, Darbsk said:

We also dont know which are the real Raiders, the team that went toe to toe with the Chiefs or the team that capitulated yesterday? 
Easiest thing in the world is to over react, I’m still retaining some patience and see how this thing plays out. I don’t believe we are actually as bad as we portrayed yesterday. I guess I’m in a minority now though 😄

It is possible that we turn into a playoff level team but the reality is that no matter how good of a team we become if we lose 3 more games we stand a very small chance of making the playoffs.  10 wins and you are in so that means we have to go 8-2.  We already have a few teams that are better than us on paper and have played at a much higher level so far this year.  I think our best case scenario is we barely miss the playoffs and can look back at the early shortcomings against the Chargers (Carr missing everyone), Cardinals (Team thought game ended at the half or Renfro not getting blasted), and Chiefs (Adam's late game struggles) as reasons why we barely missed.  Worst case scenario is Carr struggles the next couple games and gets benched which leads to a split locker room.  Gruden's guys vs McDaniels Guys and Ziegler is the deciding factor unless Davis grows a pair and cleans house after year one and we start over with Carr, Adams, Miller, Crosby, Renfrow, and Waller as the core.  This has the makings of an ugly situation if we stay on a negative trajectory.

So I do not sound like an extremist my base case is that the offense improves, not to pre-season expectations, but the defense does not.  We miss the playoffs by 2-3 games and Graham is the scapegoat/reason.  McDaniels gets one more year with Carr, offseason capital is focused on defense, and we draft a QB in 2-4 round range by trading up.

Edited October 31, 2022 by drfrey13

[Styrian Raider]

3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

It is possible that we turn into a playoff level team but the reality is that no matter how good of a team we become if we lose 3 more games we stand a very small chance of making the playoffs.  10 wins and you are in so that means we have to go 8-2.  We already have a few teams that are better than us on paper and have played at a much higher level so far this year.  I think our best case scenario is we barely miss the playoffs and can look back at the early shortcomings against the Chargers (Carr missing everyone), Cardinals (Team thought game ended at the half or Renfro not getting blasted), and Chiefs (Adam's late game struggles) as reasons why we barely missed.  Worst case scenario is Carr struggles the next couple games and gets benched which leads to a split locker room.  Gruden's guys vs McDaniels Guys and Ziegler is the deciding factor unless Davis grows a pair and cleans house after year one and we start over with Carr, Adams, Miller, Crosby, Renfrow, and Waller as the core.  This has the makings of an ugly situation if we stay on a negative trajectory.

TBH:

If we're inconsistent like that, I don't want us to be in the playoffs, just to loose against KC or Buffalo.

 

[big_palooka]

2 hours ago, Darbsk said:

We also dont know which are the real Raiders, the team that went toe to toe with the Chiefs or the team that capitulated yesterday? 
Easiest thing in the world is to over react, I’m still retaining some patience and see how this thing plays out. I don’t believe we are actually as bad as we portrayed yesterday. I guess I’m in a minority now though 😄

This is really where I come back to Carr. He has a career of this. He can look dialed in one week and unstoppable. Then he's good for a 4-5 clunkers every year as well. 

Yesterday, he had that look and you kind of felt it was one of those games. Frantic with his movements in the pocket. Double clutching. Not wanting to run. Missing throws. 

His inconsistent play has been a problem forever. He's not the same guy week to week.

And I'm sick of him not targeting Adams. 7 games with the Raiders, he was held under 40 yards in 3 of them. Took 56 games in GB for that to happen. That's a QB problem. 

 

 

[Jeremy408]

I wonder how legit this is

[ronjon1990]

1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said:

I wonder how legit this is

He hired the NFL spiritual equivalent of Mini Me.

So probably pretty legit. 

[big_palooka]

1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said:

I wonder how legit this is

The only coach Mark Davis will ever like is Gruden as pointed out. He's not a very smart guy when it comes to hiring people. Gruden was a hack to, but you could never convince Mark of that. He's a complete fanboy over him. 

We'll find out if this is true when after the season when he hires Rich Bisaccia back which would be the most Mark Davis thing ever. 

[agarcia34]

Gonna believe a report by Charlie Campbell. Lol that’s something 

[big_palooka]

9 minutes ago, agarcia34 said:

Gonna believe a report by Charlie Campbell. Lol that’s something 

lol.. good point. I didn't even look at that. 

[Jeremy408]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

The only coach Mark Davis will ever like is Gruden as pointed out. He's not a very smart guy when it comes to hiring people. Gruden was a hack to, but you could never convince Mark of that. He's a complete fanboy over him. 

We'll find out if this is true when after the season when he hires Rich Bisaccia back which would be the most Mark Davis thing ever. 

Ironically that would be the smartest decision that he could make IMO unless there's actually a better candidate not someone that's already done it and done poorly. 

I personally would go with Rich because of the fact that he allows the roster to not have to be blown up and then if we end up with a top-five pic we can actually use it to improve the talent of the team rather than just restart and by the time we're good again all the players that are currently already paid are now older.

The only way I do that though is if he hires a decent office of coordinator not one that had him coordinated since 2014. 

[Darbsk]

5 hours ago, drfrey13 said:

It is possible that we turn into a playoff level team but the reality is that no matter how good of a team we become if we lose 3 more games we stand a very small chance of making the playoffs.  10 wins and you are in so that means we have to go 8-2.  We already have a few teams that are better than us on paper and have played at a much higher level so far this year.  I think our best case scenario is we barely miss the playoffs and can look back at the early shortcomings against the Chargers (Carr missing everyone), Cardinals (Team thought game ended at the half or Renfro not getting blasted), and Chiefs (Adam's late game struggles) as reasons why we barely missed.  Worst case scenario is Carr struggles the next couple games and gets benched which leads to a split locker room.  Gruden's guys vs McDaniels Guys and Ziegler is the deciding factor unless Davis grows a pair and cleans house after year one and we start over with Carr, Adams, Miller, Crosby, Renfrow, and Waller as the core.  This has the makings of an ugly situation if we stay on a negative trajectory.

So I do not sound like an extremist my base case is that the offense improves, not to pre-season expectations, but the defense does not.  We miss the playoffs by 2-3 games and Graham is the scapegoat/reason.  McDaniels gets one more year with Carr, offseason capital is focused on defense, and we draft a QB in 2-4 round range by trading up.

Yeh, I can see that playing out. I don’t think we’re a terrible team but like you, we’ve probably left ourselves too much to do to realistically make the playoffs.

If we can start playing well, finish around even, maybe 9-8 or 8-9 that will breed some confidence and possibly set us up for a run next year. 
 

Following the NFL this year I feel like it’s a massive missed opportunity though as so many teams are up and down and everyone seems beatable. The Chiefs capitulated to the Colts, the Buccs had a melt down against the Panthers, the Packers lost to the Washingtons…..every week seems like there’s at least two or three surprises.