Isherwood Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Packerraymond said: On paper this roster is talented enough to turn it on at anytime, but they simply aren't. At this point, I've had my funeral for the 2022 Packers. I'd enjoy eating some crow in January, but I think the Rodgers - LaFleur relationship has run its course just like it did with Mac. I’m starting to feel that way too. This is very catty Perez Hilton *** of me, but the guy can’t maintain relationships. None of my business, I know, but he let a neurotic drug addicted comedian get one in Olivia Munn before he could. Every relationship he’s had falls apart because he’s too particular. This “it’s all love and gratitude” stuff only seems reserved for guys selling Alpha Brain supplements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 So...3 game skid and we are talking about moving on from a young head coach who had the best start to his coaching career ever, right? That's what we are doing. Cuz. I'm down with talking about it. And I'd even say that if that were to happen, it would need to be for a "real" NFL head coach. A successful one with a proven track record. Sean Payton comes to mind and that is about it. If not him? I'm an easy pass on all other candidates. I'm inclined to let MLF work with Love for a year or two. Actually run the offense that MLF wants to run. A QB that actually has footspeed and some quicks to him. After that it will be time to evaluate. Because...if you move on from MLF after this year, you are also probably without Rodgers. New coach is going to want "his" QB. Which means Love is probably gone quickly, too. Payton is the guy I think who could work with Rodgers for a year while breaking in a new QB, whomever that may be. I'm not a MLF fan...but I feel like he's being both propped up and handcuffed by the play of Aaron Rodgers. And I only have one issue with Gute. Failing to address the WR room prior to this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 hours ago, Packerraymond said: On paper this roster is talented enough to turn it on at anytime, but they simply aren't. At this point, I've had my funeral for the 2022 Packers. I'd enjoy eating some crow in January, but I think the Rodgers - LaFleur relationship has run its course just like it did with Mac. Well, they both lasted longer than any of his relationships with the women he's dated. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except Gute should have shipped him down the road 2-3 years ago. We could have named our price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 And here is the bright news to this fan base. We've been near the top of the mountain for a very long time. We have been spoiled by success. This is the other side. The descent. Which means, we get to build back up. And that's the fun part. So watch the game, enjoy them for what they are...entertainment. Enjoy your lives. On Sundays. Take advantage of fall. DVR a few games, or miss them, it's no big deal. I've missed so much prime fishing time because of Packer games for so long that I'm looking forward to getting outside more now. But that's my thing. Find yours. Have fun now. Because that building part is right around the corner. And it'll be wild. And fun. And for a lot of us....a newer experience! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, Old Guy said: Well, they both lasted longer than any of his relationships with the women he's dated. I agree with this wholeheartedly, except Gute should have shipped him down the road 2-3 years ago. We could have named our price. I don't feel like this is hindsight from you. But....the facts are this. You do not simply move on from your MVP quarterback. Stuff like that doesn't happen. If you want to be angry at someone, I'd suggest being angry that the QB didn't force himself out of QB for the last 2 years. Not at the GM who held on to the MVP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, vegas492 said: I don't feel like this is hindsight from you. But....the facts are this. You do not simply move on from your MVP quarterback. Stuff like that doesn't happen. If you want to be angry at someone, I'd suggest being angry that the QB didn't force himself out of QB for the last 2 years. Not at the GM who held on to the MVP. It is not hindsight whatsoever. I've been for trading him probably 4-5 years. He's become Favre when he was at his end. The MVP Quarterback was trying to force his way out when he went on the podcast and told them to trade him. That is the moment he became Favre, and we could have named our price. Russell Wilson may not have been an MVP, but he was thought to be near the top of the QB food chain and the Seahawks moved on from him in a blockbuster deal. Seattle is going to be able to reload and Denver is left holding an aging QB who doesn't have it anymore. The Lions moved on from Stafford too, again, not an MVP but elite for sure. Don't look now and don't look at their record, but the Lions are building something to our East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Old Guy said: It is not hindsight whatsoever. I've been for trading him probably 4-5 years. He's become Favre when he was at his end. The MVP Quarterback was trying to force his way out when he went on the podcast and told them to trade him. That is the moment he became Favre, and we could have named our price. Russell Wilson may not have been an MVP, but he was thought to be near the top of the QB food chain and the Seahawks moved on from him in a blockbuster deal. Seattle is going to be able to reload and Denver is left holding an aging QB who doesn't have it anymore. The Lions moved on from Stafford too, again, not an MVP but elite for sure. Don't look now and don't look at their record, but the Lions are building something to our East. The ball was in Aaron's court. If you want to be angry, be angry that he didn't force his way out, which he easily could have done. You don't trade an MVP quarterback. If you wish to argue against this, find me a QB who was traded within a year of being MVP. Then I'll listen. Until then I'll maintain this...trading an MVP quarterback is something that kills a GM's career. Not just his current job, but career. Don't give me Wilson. No MVP. In fact, I don't think he's ever even received an MVP vote in his career. And yeah, I don't feel like this is hindsight from you at all. Just pointing out that fact and being fair. I admire convictions, right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smidgeon Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, vegas492 said: The ball was in Aaron's court. If you want to be angry, be angry that he didn't force his way out, which he easily could have done. You don't trade an MVP quarterback. If you wish to argue against this, find me a QB who was traded within a year of being MVP. Then I'll listen. Until then I'll maintain this...trading an MVP quarterback is something that kills a GM's career. Not just his current job, but career. Don't give me Wilson. No MVP. In fact, I don't think he's ever even received an MVP vote in his career. And yeah, I don't feel like this is hindsight from you at all. Just pointing out that fact and being fair. I admire convictions, right or wrong. That's why it would have taken stones. But this last offseason, the NFL world half expected that trade. MVP or not, there was an out last year. TT took it when he had the chance. Schneider did too. Gute did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, vegas492 said: The ball was in Aaron's court. If you want to be angry, be angry that he didn't force his way out, which he easily could have done. You don't trade an MVP quarterback. If you wish to argue against this, find me a QB who was traded within a year of being MVP. Then I'll listen. Until then I'll maintain this...trading an MVP quarterback is something that kills a GM's career. Not just his current job, but career. Don't give me Wilson. No MVP. In fact, I don't think he's ever even received an MVP vote in his career. And yeah, I don't feel like this is hindsight from you at all. Just pointing out that fact and being fair. I admire convictions, right or wrong. History is filled with bad traditions. Not trading a quarterback who was clearly becoming a cancer, this is not hindsight either, because he just won an award is foolish. You can have your opinion, but it doesn't make it fact or the right thing to do. History shows in this case, it was the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Rodgers is still top 10 in pretty much every statistical category. He isn't playing up to his standard for sure but the overreactions in this thread are hilarious. The season isn't looking good but it isn't dead yet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 10 hours ago, Gopackgonerd said: Who controls the players to go in and out of the game? LaFleur right? If he wants to have Dillon spell him fine, but you gotta have Jones in there at least on first and third down, or depending on if its 3rd and short to run it but god knows they dont do that for some reason. It does look like MLF alternates these guys. On one series Jones is in and the next Dillon. What I find incredible is if Dillon isn't getting anywhere it appears Matt won't take him out and put Jones back in. Didn't Matt say he wasn't opposed to having both back there at times? I didn't get to see this game but I don't recall seeing both of 'em back here much this season at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, StatKing said: Rodgers is still top 10 in pretty much every statistical category. He isn't playing up to his standard for sure but the overreactions in this thread are hilarious. The season isn't looking good but it isn't dead yet. Stop with the hero worship! Rodgers has been THE problem for over 2 years now. MVPs be damned, he doesn't show up when the going gets tough. He's as nervous as a whore in church when he thinks the other team is going to pressure him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 12 hours ago, Old Guy said: MLF isn't the GM who catered to an aging, prima-donna quarterback and gave him a new contract which screws us long-term. Gute is the one who should be fired, no doubt about it. He set the organization back a decade by not trading Rodgers two years ago. There is a decent chance we gave AR that contract because they don't have a ton of faith in Love. If this is the case Gute should be on the hot seat for over drafting Love instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zing Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 13 hours ago, MaryTsraining3s said: They brought pressure on the last play so Rodgers didn’t have time to throw a Hail Mary. Agreed with everything else you said I feel They did but so did the Cardinals when we were in Arizona and Rodgers was able to get it down the field by rolling out of the pocket. I'm a firm believer that the thumb is much worse than what's being talked about - and played part in why he didn't try to chuck it down for a hail mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StatKing Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Stop with the hero worship! Rodgers has been THE problem for over 2 years now. MVPs be damned, he doesn't show up when the going gets tough. He's as nervous as a whore in church when he thinks the other team is going to pressure him. Numbers don't lie. We are just used to him putting up MVP numbers year in year out. He has a career low QB rating right now yet he's still top 10 in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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