vike daddy Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 i'll pose a Viking or NFL related question/theme for discussion daily, let's read your thoughts! Today's: With the NFL trade deadline approaching a week from Tuesday, one has to wonder if Adofo-Mensah and ownership has changed its view [on holding on to draft picks] and made a decision that getting first-year coach Kevin O’Connell some immediate help. While Adofo-Mensah might have reservations about trading draft picks, O’Connell spent the past two seasons as the offensive coordinator for the Rams. It pains most NFL GMs to part with high draft picks, but the Rams haven’t picked in the first round since 2016, aren’t set to do it again until 2024. O’Connell saw that aggressiveness work. So could O’Connell influence Adofo-Mensah to decide there’s no time like the present to add a wide receiver, a defensive tackle, a defensive end or a tight end? The Vikings likely could acquire help for a second-day pick, enabling them to hold onto their first-rounder. https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/2022/10/25/vikings-kwesi-adofo-mensah-kevin-oconnell/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3D-l0gAaGanKvSQrS-g_kSRosxyukAV8_N2nR080VaJyCRIxhd4sZRMzA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 They are in a difficult position to do such because of the cap situation, but I think if there was a player that they believe could help this season, I think he would do it, but it would have to be a very special situation. While he wasn't as close to the situation as he was in Cleveland, he was in SF in 2019 when they traded a couple of mid-round picks for Emmanuel Sanders who helped get them to the Super Bowl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 If there was more cap space, I think that would change the philosophy. But as of now, who is available that would fit under the cap, be an upgrade, and wouldn't cost a lot in draft pick compensation? If you ask me, if you're giving up a Day 2 pick, that player has to be under team control for at least 2 years. A #3 WR would be nice, but would Mims or Jeudy be a massive upgrade over what KJ Osborn has provided? Mike Gesicki is likely too expensive, since he's on the franchise tag. That also means he's a rental. I can't think of any 3-4 DE that would be available that fits the criteria. Ditto for slot cornerback. If the Vikings are going to add a piece or two via trades, they're going to have to be creative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 This is where it is put in perspective. But, I disagree with you, @wcblack34 that the player has to be under team control for 2 years. The Titans traded one of their 2023 mid-round picks for Julio Jones last year...and he's now in Tampa Bay after they released him...and the Eagles acquired Chauncey Gardner-Johnson from the Saints with a late-round pick for a mid-round pick in 2025 and he's only under contract to the end of this year. I'm not sure that it's relevant whether that player's contract lasts beyond this season. In fact, it may be better if it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, wcblack34 said: If there was more cap space, I think that would change the philosophy. But as of now, who is available that would fit under the cap, be an upgrade, and wouldn't cost a lot in draft pick compensation? If you ask me, if you're giving up a Day 2 pick, that player has to be under team control for at least 2 years. A #3 WR would be nice, but would Mims or Jeudy be a massive upgrade over what KJ Osborn has provided? Mike Gesicki is likely too expensive, since he's on the franchise tag. That also means he's a rental. I can't think of any 3-4 DE that would be available that fits the criteria. Ditto for slot cornerback. If the Vikings are going to add a piece or two via trades, they're going to have to be creative. The Vikings can pretty easily free up cap space for a move this year. The question becomes, how does that affect things for 2023 and beyond? The team could free up a decent chunk of cash by converting some of Brian O’Neill’s salary to a bonus. There are other players who could do that as well, but O’Neill is probably the only one who’s young enough, and playing at a high enough level to make you comfortable enough to make that move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 2 hours ago, swede700 said: This is where it is put in perspective. But, I disagree with you, @wcblack34 that the player has to be under team control for 2 years. The Titans traded one of their 2023 mid-round picks for Julio Jones last year...and he's now in Tampa Bay after they released him...and the Eagles acquired Chauncey Gardner-Johnson from the Saints with a late-round pick for a mid-round pick in 2025 and he's only under contract to the end of this year. I'm not sure that it's relevant whether that player's contract lasts beyond this season. In fact, it may be better if it doesn't. See, I'm not looking for a Julio Jones type. I think that if you are giving up a Day 2 pick for a guy, he should be a building block. I would not give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a guy near the end of their career, or who can bolt after this season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 3 hours ago, swede700 said: This is where it is put in perspective. But, I disagree with you, @wcblack34 that the player has to be under team control for 2 years. The Titans traded one of their 2023 mid-round picks for Julio Jones last year...and he's now in Tampa Bay after they released him...and the Eagles acquired Chauncey Gardner-Johnson from the Saints with a late-round pick for a mid-round pick in 2025 and he's only under contract to the end of this year. I'm not sure that it's relevant whether that player's contract lasts beyond this season. In fact, it may be better if it doesn't. I knew the cap situation was tight, but that graph just stinks. I hope the Vikings don't go the route of the the one season player rental. It bombs more than it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Is the PHIL Eagles' #1 seed in the NFC sustainable, or will another team eventually supplant them? Will the Vikings hold the #1 seed for any time during this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: Is the PHIL Eagles' #1 seed in the NFC sustainable, or will another team eventually supplant them? Will the Vikings hold the #1 seed for any time during this season? That is a hard question. With the surprising improvement of the Giants and Cowboys, it may be more difficult than thought for the Eagles to hold off a team like the Vikings, who I believe, at this point, are the only other team that truly has a chance to overtake them. The Eagles still have 1 game vs. the Cowboys and 2 vs. the Giants. But, in the end, it's still going to be difficult for the Vikings to do so. Therefore, yes, I believe the Eagles will be able to sustain the #1 seed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, vike daddy said: Is the PHIL Eagles' #1 seed in the NFC sustainable, or will another team eventually supplant them? Will the Vikings hold the #1 seed for any time during this season? It's hard to stay undefeated in the NFL. Almost every team is prone to a head-scratching loss or two. However, the Eagles' next 5 games (Steelers, Texans, Commanders, Colts, Packers) lay out nicely for them to sleepwalk into 11-0 before meeting up with the Titans, Giants, Bears, Cowboys, Saints and Giants. It's hard to see a loss on their schedule, let alone 2 or 3. The Vikings have the Bills, Cowboys, and the improved Jets and Giants left on their schedule. Not only that, but we finish the season on road against the Packers and Bears. I don't see 15-2 on our schedule. I think that's what it will take to keep pace with Philly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, vike daddy said: Is the PHIL Eagles' #1 seed in the NFC sustainable, or will another team eventually supplant them? Will the Vikings hold the #1 seed for any time during this season? The Eagles are the most complete team in the league as they have a better online then the Bills. Otherwise, it's pretty close between them. Philadelphia will beat the Giants and Cowboys and will remain the 1st seed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 Alexander Mattison... trade or keep? Assuming he is gone at the end of this season. i've read that few teams would really trade for him as it would be half season rental on his existing contract. assuming we wouldn't get much because of those variables, is it better to just keep him as a usable backup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 If Mattison signs with a new team in the offseason, Minnesota is in line to receive a compensatory third- or fourth-round pick. The Vikings won’t accept any offer that doesn’t exceed that value. https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/alexander-mattison-nfl-trade-rumors-deadline/?fbclid=IwAR363m4qB_llsZGcPtktoO3FtVk-JazzT0Ltr222cIGghSuV14PfEDIxaQc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I agree with them that they shouldn't settle for less than a 3rd if they were to trade him, so they should keep him unless they get that since he is such a critical backup for Dalvin. I think if they were to trade him, they'd still get by, but it certainly would be different. I would think that any team that would trade him would consider signing an extension with him because he's certainly going to come by cheaper than a Saquon Barkley or Kareem Hunt (or even Josh Jacobs), without a significant downgrade (although it would still be a downgrade). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 27, 2022 Author Share Posted October 27, 2022 I think of Jerick McKinnon leaving the team, wanting to be a starter, and not being able to handle the load of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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