Packerraymond Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Well yesterday was depressing, so let's take a look at how we can rebuild this thing. -Packers finish the year 8-9, based on last year's records the best 8-9 team was Baltimore who picked at #14, we'll say that's where our pick would fall. -Entire F.O. is retained, LaFleur is retained and he retains the offensive staff. Joe Barry and the rest of the defensive staff are relieved of their duties and we start from scratch there. -Jerod Mayo is hired from New England to run the defense. LaFleur is drawn in by someone who has been tutored by a coach who specializes in maximizing the skillsets of the players on the roster rather than sticking to a rigid structure of a specific scheme or call sheet. Mayo hires a defensive staff with LaFleur's aid. Retirements: Aaron Rodgers: Rodgers moves on to his many other interests, first ballot H.O.F, greatest prime performance for any QB. The true GOAT as far as QB talent is concerned. Marcedes Lewis: Big Dog hangs them up, another amazing career, maybe the best blocking TE of the modern football era. Mason Crosby: Packers HOF, all time leading scorer. Released: David Bakhtiari: Definite Packers HOF, maybe the best pass blocking LT I've ever watched play. Damn shame about the knee or he may have been a pro football HOF-er. Not Re-Signed: Adrian Amos Dean Lowry Robert Tonyan Jarran Reed Randall Cobb Sammy Watkins Re-Signed: Elgton Jenkins Allen Lazard Yosh Nijman Rudy Ford Dallin Leavitt KeiSean Nixon Free Agency: Way too much dead money to be players, that comes in the 2024 off-season. We bargain shop for a few cheap additions. Cooper Rush, QB, Dallas: Decent backup option for Love, has proven he's not a total disaster if Love is miserable and he has to start, but not going to cost us too much to retain for a few years. Josh Oliver, TE, Baltimore: Oliver has some athletics gifts and has been blocking pretty well for Baltimore. Worth a shot on a cheap deal. Nick Scott, S, LA Rams: With Amos gone, the safety position won't be pretty, but Rudy Ford and Scott will battle for the spot along side Savage. Trades: Aaron Jones to the Dolphins for the Patriots 3rd round pick: The Phins are loading up to compete with the Bills, they add a premium back familiar with the Shanny scheme. The Packers just need to eat that contract for Jones and move on, 3rd round pick seems about right. NFL Draft: Round 1 (14): Jalin Hyatt, 6'1 175, WR School: Tennessee The theme of the 2023 Draft is to try and surround Jordan Love with as much as we can in order to truly determine what we have there. We won't have big money to get a WR, nor will we give up high draft picks to get one in a trade. Might as well draft someone dynamic. The Packers offense has been anemic to say the least this year. Hopefully another off-season in the system for Doubs and Watson has them ready to step their game up. Adding a premium speedster in Hyatt would continue to give coordinators some pieces to fear. Add in Lazard's trustiness and blocking ability and that's a WR group that could work. Round 2: Tucker Kraft, 6'5 255, TE School: SDSU It's hard not to get Dallas Goedert vibes watching Kraft. He had some serious helium last year before an ankle injury cost him most of this year, but he's back and playing well. He's the kind of complete TE this offense needs to be successful. TE room will be young and unproven without Tonyan and Lewis, but Kraft has more potential than any TE we've had since Finley. Round 3: Sean Tucker, 5'10 205, RB School: Syracuse Dillon will be the lead horse with Jones gone but we'll definitely need some change of pace options. If Kylin Hill and Tyler Goodson develop they could be options, but safe to draft a versatile back as well that can be one. Tucker is a threat in the run and pass game for Cuse and has been steadily climbing up boards. Round 3: Zach Harrison, 6'6 270, EDGE School: Ohio State Harrison has been a lot like Rashan Gary in his Buckeye career, never put up huge numbers, but the raw physical gifts are all there. Just like Gary, Harrison will come in and be the #3/4 EDGE for a year and see if he can develop into the player his potential says he can be. Round 4: Turner Corcoran, 6'6 300, OL School: Nebraska The Packers should draft an OL in the 4th or 5th every year, keep the depth stocked and continue to churn for those draft steals. Corcoran is another one of those athletic, OT/OG prospects we do so well on. Round 5: Jermayne Lole 6'3 320, DL School: Louisville We'll need to eat some snaps lost by Lowry and Reed. Obviously the biggest increases in snaps should be Wyatt and Slaton, but we'll need some depth to spell them as well. Round 5: Ji'Ayir Brown 5'11 205, S School: Penn State Safety could be an ugly position with Amos moving on and Savage looking to be a lost cause, but it's not worth investing FA dollars or draft capital in a rebuild year. We'll see if Savage improves with a new defensive staff, if Rudy Ford continues to play well, added Scott in FA and Brown in the draft. Can get solid safeties for cheap in FA if we're ready to contend in 2024. Round 6: Elijah Higgins 6'3 230, WR School: Stanford Big bodied receiver that our staff loves, Higgins is a freak athlete whose never quite amounted to the sum of his parts. Worth a flier at this point, could be a move h-back type at his size too. Round 7: Sam Hartman, 6'2 215, QB School: Wake Forest Competes with Etling for the #3 job, I'm sure Gute and LaFleur will want to take a look at some young QB's if Rodgers retires. Depth Chart: QB: Love-Rush-Etling-HartmanRB: Dillon-Tucker-Hill-Goodson-TaylorWR: Lazard-Doubs-Watson-Hyatt-Toure-Higgins-Rodgers-WinfreeTE: Kraft-Oliver-Deguara-DavisOL: Tom-Jenkins-Myers-Runyan-Nijman-Newman-Rhyan-Hanson-Corcoran-Jones-Tenuta DL: Clark-Slaton-Wyatt-Lole-Ford-Heflin-SlaytonEDGE: Gary-Smith-Enagbare-Harrison-Garvin-Tipa-HamiltonILB: Campbell-Walker-Barnes-McDuffieCB: Alexander-Stokes-Douglas-Nixon-Jean Charles-ThomasS: Savage-Ford-Scott-Leavitt-Brown-Carpenter-Abernathy-Gaines Overview: Campbell and Preston come in at 30, every other non specialist on that roster is 29 or younger. There's a hell of a lot of dead cap to eat, but I still could see that team being competitive. They're no less talented than this years Giants or Titans. AL depends on how a new DC gets that defense to play and Jordan Love is, if he sucks, at least there's a young OL and WR core in place for the next guy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Help me out here. How do they deal with Rodgers 99 million in dead money? Is there contract language that cuts Rodgers payout and the dead money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Help me out here. How do they deal with Rodgers 99 million in dead money? Is there contract language that cuts Rodgers payout and the dead money? That dead money comes if we exercise options to prolong him playing. If he were to retire this season we have two options, his dead cap is 39m and we could eat it all up front, or designate him for a June 1st retirement and carry 15m on the 2023 cap and 24m on the 2024 cap. Will probably all depend on what Jenkins, Lazard and Gary want for $$$ as I imagine that's the only guys they'll be determined to bring back (Gary has a 5th year option but they could lower his cost with an extension like Jaire). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 Is it legal for Rodgers to say "Since I'm retiring, let's negotiate the cost (lower) and terms of some of that money ?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I hate this. Every part of it. Don't get that confused with me ripping on what you did for everything. I guess I don't like seeing the world burn. Except for cleaning house on the defensive coaches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mdpackfan22 Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 I think we can get a 2nd for Jones. He's one of the most electric playmakers in the NFL and we'd have to eat 9,580,000 so new team is getting him for 13m/yr non-guaranteed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 8 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I hate this. Every part of it. Don't get that confused with me ripping on what you did for everything. I guess I don't like seeing the world burn. Except for cleaning house on the defensive coaches. The last month been more enjoyable? At least this team would be young, have a future influx of cap cash coming and no burden of expectations. This year I've hated, every part of it. Ready to see what the next chapter holds. Now in 5 years I could be calling myself a moron for not wanting to run it back 1-2 more times, who knows? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 10 minutes ago, cannondale said: Is it legal for Rodgers to say "Since I'm retiring, let's negotiate the cost (lower) and terms of some of that money ?" What I laid out above your post is that negotiation, now I think he can sign an extension that pro-rates that hit even more, but he's 39m dead on our cap, whether it's paid out in 1 year, 2 or 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: What I laid out above your post is that negotiation, now I think he can sign an extension that pro-rates that hit even more, but he's 39m dead on our cap, whether it's paid out in 1 year, 2 or 5. Understand that my knowledge of cap and contract structure is horrible I'm asking if Rodgers can say - "You don't owe me as much money since I retired after year one" Literally giving money back to the Packers Edited November 2, 2022 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 5 minutes ago, cannondale said: Understand my cap knowledge and contract structure is horrible I'm asking if Rodgers can say - "You don't owe me as much money since I retired after year one" Literally giving money back to the Packers No, dead cap is money already paid that didn't count against the cap in the past, so you have to account for it when you release the player. The Packers don't have to pay him anything if he retires, it's all just past money being accounted for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted November 2, 2022 Author Share Posted November 2, 2022 7 minutes ago, cannondale said: Understand my cap knowledge and contract structure is horrible I'm asking if Rodgers can say - "You don't owe me as much money since I retired after year one" Literally giving money back to the Packers In physical cash, sure I guess. In actual cap that the league counts against us? No that is not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) That's what I figured. Thanks. Since I would view the contract as a totality in some respects, I would expect from myself (especially if I had the bank he does), and him to do everything in his power to lessen the burden in any way possible if he retired early Edited November 2, 2022 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 1 minute ago, cannondale said: That's what I figured. Thanks. Since I would view the contract as a totality in some respects, I would expect from myself (especially if I had the bank he does), and him to do everything in his power to lessen the burden in any way possible if he retired early I think the same way as you but if we're being realistic, I don't think it will happen. He hasn't done it in the past when he would at least get some benefit from it in the form of a better team around him, I don't think he'd do it to benefit a team he's no longer a part of. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 And so the future arrives................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted November 2, 2022 Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Packer_ESP said: I think the same way as you but if we're being realistic, I don't think it will happen. He hasn't done it in the past when he would at least get some benefit from it in the form of a better team around him, I don't think he'd do it to benefit a team he's no longer a part of. Yea - but this situation is different. He signed a 3 year deal. And if his legacy and what people think of him really does matter, any gesture toward the team on an early exit from the 3 year "commitment" into retirement might be nice. And frankly, I would expect it from him to do what he can. (and it seems like there isn't much he can do) Edited November 2, 2022 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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