Cwood is a nerd and so are all the Packer Favorite Prospects: 2023 Draft Discussion Thread

[ThatJerkDave]

Time seems to jumble things together.  I would have bet money that Beanie Wells and David Wilson were on their respective Super Bowl teams. 

[vegas492]

17 minutes ago, squire12 said:

 

CEH, Sony Michel, Gurley, Donald Brown,  Mendenhall, Peterson are the ones that I recognize in a quick rundown.

 

 

Looks like you interneted that thing.

I went from memory...and I showed you the list.  There's quite a few names on it.

Though I must say....many are older names.  Like it was a running league and now it has morphed into a passing league.

So, I get what you are saying...and I agree.  Still, I wouldn't let that keep me drafting a franchise type bellcow in round one...though I'd be really leery of doing it in the top 10-20 picks.

[squire12]

1 hour ago, vegas492 said:

Looks like you interneted that thing.

https://www.drafthistory.com/

easy way to filter by position, team, year, etc

1 hour ago, vegas492 said:

I went from memory...and I showed you the list.  There's quite a few names on it.

Though I must say....many are older names.  Like it was a running league and now it has morphed into a passing league.

So, I get what you are saying...and I agree.  Still, I wouldn't let that keep me drafting a franchise type bellcow in round one...though I'd be really leery of doing it in the top 10-20 picks.

looking back in the last 10-15 years makes the discussion on whether drafting a RB in the first round is the right move.  Even the ones that have been with their original team and in a deep playoff run (last 4 teams), CEH, Donald Brown, Michel were not the bell cow RB for their team.  

[fattlipp]

6 hours ago, squire12 said:

this is going back to 2007.  15 years 

 

 

Year	No.	Round	Pick	overall	Name	Team	College
2021	1	1	24	24	Najee Harris	Steelers	Alabama
2021	2	1	25	25	Travis Etienne	Jaguars	Clemson
2020	1	1	32	32	Clyde Edwards-Helaire	Chiefs	Louisiana State
2019	1	1	24	24	Josh Jacobs	Raiders	Alabama
2018	1	1	2	2	Saquon Barkley	Giants	Penn State
2018	2	1	27	27	Rashaad Penny	Seahawks	San Diego State
2018	3	1	31	31	Sony Michel	Patriots	Georgia
2017	1	1	4	4	Leonard Fournette	Jaguars	Louisiana State
2017	2	1	8	8	Christian McCaffrey	Panthers	Stanford
2016	1	1	4	4	Ezekiel Elliott	Cowboys	Ohio State
2015	1	1	10	10	Todd Gurley	Rams	Georgia
2015	2	1	15	15	Melvin Gordon	Chargers	Wisconsin
2012	1	1	3	3	Trent Richardson	Browns	Alabama
2012	2	1	31	31	Doug Martin	Buccaneers	Boise State
2012	3	1	32	32	David Wilson	Giants	Virginia Tech
2011	1	1	28	28	Mark Ingram	Saints	Alabama
2010	1	1	9	9	C.J. Spiller	Bills	Clemson
2010	2	1	12	12	Ryan Mathews	Chargers	Fresno State
2010	3	1	30	30	Jahvid Best	Lions	California
2009	1	1	12	12	Knowshon Moreno	Broncos	Georgia
2009	2	1	27	27	Donald Brown	Colts	Connecticut
2009	3	1	31	31	Beanie Wells	Cardinals	Ohio State
2008	1	1	4	4	Darren McFadden	Raiders	Arkansas
2008	2	1	13	13	Jonathan Stewart	Panthers	Oregon
2008	3	1	22	22	Felix Jones	Cowboys	Arkansas
2008	4	1	23	23	Rashard Mendenhall	Steelers	Illinois
2008	5	1	24	24	Chris Johnson	Titans	East Carolina
2007	1	1	7	7	Adrian Peterson	Vikings	Oklahoma
2007	2	1	12	12	Marshawn Lynch	Bills	California

How many 1st round WRs won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them in the last 10 years?
maybe Mike Evan’s?

Edited February 9, 2023 by fattlipp

[squire12]

12 minutes ago, fattlipp said:

How many 1st round WRs won a Super Bowl with the team that drafted them in the last 10 years?
maybe Mike Evan’s?

lets go with a similar concept and make it to the final 4 teams over the last 15 years.

Chase, Devonta Smith, Aiyuk, Agholor, Evans,  Julio Jones, Demaryius Thomas, Crabtree, Hakeem Nicks, Robert Meachum, Anthony Gonzalez (was on IR)

Year	No.	Round	Pick	overall	Name	Team	College
2022	1	1	8	8	Drake London	Falcons	USC
2022	2	1	10	10	Garrett Wilson	Jets	Ohio State
2022	3	1	11	11	Chris Olave	Saints	Ohio State
2022	4	1	12	12	Jameson Williams	Lions	Alabama
2022	5	1	16	16	Jahan Dotson	Commanders	Penn State
2022	6	1	18	18	Treylon Burks	Titans	Arkansas
2021	1	1	5	5	Ja'Marr Chase	Bengals	Louisiana State
2021	2	1	6	6	Jaylen Waddle	Dolphins	Alabama
2021	3	1	10	10	DeVonta Smith	Eagles	Alabama
2021	4	1	20	20	Kadarius Toney	Giants	Florida
2021	5	1	27	27	Rashod Bateman	Ravens	Minnesota
2020	1	1	12	12	Henry Ruggs	Raiders	Alabama
2020	2	1	15	15	Jerry Jeudy	Broncos	Alabama
2020	3	1	17	17	CeeDee Lamb	Cowboys	Oklahoma
2020	4	1	21	21	Jalen Reagor	Eagles	Texas Christian
2020	5	1	22	22	Justin Jefferson	Vikings	Louisiana State
2020	6	1	25	25	Brandon Aiyuk	49ers	Arizona State
2019	1	1	25	25	Marquise Brown	Ravens	Oklahoma
2019	2	1	32	32	N'Keal Harry	Patriots	Arizona State
2018	1	1	24	24	D.J. Moore	Panthers	Maryland
2018	2	1	26	26	Calvin Ridley	Falcons	Alabama
2017	1	1	5	5	Corey Davis	Titans	Western Michigan
2017	2	1	7	7	Mike Williams	Chargers	Clemson
2017	3	1	9	9	John Ross	Bengals	Washington
2016	1	1	15	15	Corey Coleman	Browns	Baylor
2016	2	1	21	21	Will Fuller	Texans	Notre Dame
2016	3	1	22	22	Josh Doctson	Redskins	Texas Christian
2016	4	1	23	23	Laquon Treadwell	Vikings	Mississippi
2015	1	1	4	4	Amari Cooper	Raiders	Alabama
2015	2	1	7	7	Kevin White	Bears	West Virginia
2015	3	1	14	14	DeVante Parker	Dolphins	Louisville
2015	4	1	20	20	Nelson Agholor	Eagles	USC
2015	5	1	26	26	Breshad Perriman	Ravens	Central Florida
2015	6	1	29	29	Phillip Dorsett	Colts	Miami (FL)
2014	1	1	4	4	Sammy Watkins	Bills	Clemson
2014	2	1	7	7	Mike Evans	Buccaneers	Texas A&M
2014	3	1	12	12	Odell Beckham	Giants	Louisiana State
2014	4	1	20	20	Brandin Cooks	Saints	Oregon State
2014	5	1	28	28	Kelvin Benjamin	Panthers	Florida State
2013	1	1	8	8	Tavon Austin	Rams	West Virginia
2013	2	1	27	27	DeAndre Hopkins	Texans	Clemson
2013	3	1	29	29	Cordarrelle Patterson	Vikings	Tennessee
2012	1	1	5	5	Justin Blackmon	Jaguars	Oklahoma State
2012	2	1	13	13	Michael Floyd	Cardinals	Notre Dame
2012	3	1	20	20	Kendall Wright	Titans	Baylor
2012	4	1	30	30	A.J. Jenkins	49ers	Illinois
2011	1	1	4	4	A.J. Green	Bengals	Georgia
2011	2	1	6	6	Julio Jones	Falcons	Alabama
2011	3	1	26	26	Jonathan Baldwin	Chiefs	Pittsburgh
2010	1	1	22	22	Demaryius Thomas	Broncos	Georgia Tech
2010	2	1	24	24	Dez Bryant	Cowboys	Oklahoma State
2009	1	1	7	7	Darrius Heyward-Bey	Raiders	Maryland
2009	2	1	10	10	Michael Crabtree	49ers	Texas Tech
2009	3	1	19	19	Jeremy Maclin	Eagles	Missouri
2009	4	1	22	22	Percy Harvin	Vikings	Florida
2009	5	1	29	29	Hakeem Nicks	Giants	North Carolina
2009	6	1	30	30	Kenny Britt	Titans	Rutgers
2007	1	1	2	2	Calvin Johnson	Lions	Georgia Tech
2007	2	1	9	9	Ted Ginn	Dolphins	Ohio State
2007	3	1	23	23	Dwayne Bowe	Chiefs	Louisiana State
2007	4	1	27	27	Robert Meachem	Saints	Tennessee
2007	5	1	30	30	Craig Davis	Chargers	Louisiana State
2007	6	1	32	32	Anthony Gonzalez	Colts	Ohio State

 

[MacReady]

I just find it funny how it’s the busts that happen to win Super Bowls.

Like LOL at Anthony Gonzalez, Robert Meachum, Hackeem Nicks, Michael Crabtree and Nelson Aguolor having more final 4 appearances than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Jefferson, etc.

 

[Sandy]

5 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

I just find it funny how it’s the busts that happen to win Super Bowls.

Like LOL at Anthony Gonzalez, Robert Meachum, Hackeem Nicks, Michael Crabtree and Nelson Aguolor having more final 4 appearances than Calvin Johnson, AJ Green, Jefferson, etc.

 

...so drafting a first round bust at WR equals SB...

[Arthur Penske]

On 2/8/2023 at 3:29 PM, ThatJerkDave said:

Time seems to jumble things together.  I would have bet money that Beanie Wells and David Wilson were on their respective Super Bowl teams. 

Beanie was a crush around here. Think Waldo or someone deviated from a top pick on a RB for him

[MacReady]

1 hour ago, Sandy said:

...so drafting a first round bust at WR equals SB...

More like teams that are already close think they’re just missing a receiver, then they reach for one with the physical but not the mental and then they realize they should have drafted that extra EDGE or DB or OL or DL.

[MacReady]

Chiefs killed the yOU nEed rEceIverS trend that lasted a whole one single season.

Traded away Hill. Didn't even use a first round pick to replace him. Signed JJSS.

Used a second round pick on Skyy Moore.

They also proved the importance of the draft. Like holy **** did they get input from their rookie class.

Gute needs to be fired like immediately over the Love/Dillon draft.

That team was legit one piece away.

Brooks, Queen, Wilson, Higgins, Pittman Jr., McKinney. Any one of those picks would have helped that 2020 team get past the Buccaneers, and likely the Chiefs.

I literally had a 5 minute brain fart trying to remember who our second first round pick was this year. I remembered Quay because he's an idiot that wasn't all that good, but I couldn't even remember Wyatt's name.

And I don't think that's due to a lack of talent.

We didn't even give Dillon a lot of playing time in 2020. He had 46 attempts in his rookie regular season and then 9 in the post season.

This nasty trend of being frugal in free agency and then drafting projects in the draft has got to be one of the most retarded (non-derogatory literal definition) practices in all of football.

Rodgers is Rodgers is Rodgers. I believe he would come up with a reason to choke regardless of who was on the team, and I don't think he's mentally capable of getting back to a Super Bowl due to his inflated ego convincing him that it's everyone else's fault. That's fine. Whatever.

What's not fine is having Aaron Rodgers. Knowing how often he avoids the middle of the field. Knowing his extreme egotistical personality disorders. Knowing all of this and not using your greatest resource available to you in the draft.

I'm not even mad about the picks. ILBs always take two to three years before they hit their stride in the NFL. Simmons, White, Murray... Even Roquan Smith was lost AF early on.

But Gute 100% needs to be fired and removed with a security escort.

His literal MO is to draft players who will need replacing in the future.

He drafted Gary the same year we signed Smith and Smith. Like WTF sense does that make? Now I'm happy with the pick, but way to squander our 2019 chances by drafting a ****ing backup.

The very next year he drafts Love.

Like, yeah, great job you ****ing moron. Let's draft two premier positions that we already have for this Super Bowl run with the intention of sitting both of them for at least a year.

The year after he drafts Stokes. We had King, Alexander, Sullivan on the roster. Rolled into the season with MVS next to Adams, but it's okay because Elijah Moore probably missed church three times last year.

WHAT THE **** IS WITH GUTE DRAFTING BACKUPS?

The Chiefs just drafted about 7 players who had immediate and huge impacts on winning a ****ing Super Bowl.

And they're not even BPA. They're MAPA.

Most athletic players available.

This is unforgivable.

There's draft heavy teams, draft and develop teams, and then there's Gute who has to be labeled a Draft, Wait and Develop idiot ****ing moron.

 

[Old Guy]

Wow, that was a long rant. Hope he feels better! 

[Leader]

Kelce was 8th in receiving yards - 2nd in TDs - 2nd in FDs - 3rd in receptions during the regular season.

Kelce is a top receiver.

Oh - he was 1st in receiving yards - 1st in TDs - 1st in FD - 1st in receptions in the postseason.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Leader

[{Family Ghost}]

12 minutes ago, Leader said:

Kelce was 8th in receiving yards - 2nd in TDs - 2nd in FDs - 3rd in receptions during the regular season.

Kelce is a top receiver.

Oh - he was 1st in receiving yards - 1st in TDs - 1st in FD - 1st in receptions in the postseason.

Yeah .. Kelce is the key player for the Chiefs.  Kelce is an enormous weapon that they had to fall back on after they traded Hill.  Teams like the Packers and Titans crumbled after they shipped off their top target (Adams & Brown), because they didn't have another game changing talent available.  Watson eventually turned into one for GB, but the damage was done.

[Packerraymond]

So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary.

Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50.

[OneTwoSixFive]

4 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

Chiefs killed the yOU nEed rEceIverS trend that lasted a whole one single season.

Traded away Hill. Didn't even use a first round pick to replace him. Signed JJSS.

Used a second round pick on Skyy Moore.

They also proved the importance of the draft. Like holy **** did they get input from their rookie class.

Gute needs to be fired like immediately over the Love/Dillon draft.

That team was legit one piece away.

Brooks, Queen, Wilson, Higgins, Pittman Jr., McKinney. Any one of those picks would have helped that 2020 team get past the Buccaneers, and likely the Chiefs.

I literally had a 5 minute brain fart trying to remember who our second first round pick was this year. I remembered Quay because he's an idiot that wasn't all that good, but I couldn't even remember Wyatt's name.

And I don't think that's due to a lack of talent.

We didn't even give Dillon a lot of playing time in 2020. He had 46 attempts in his rookie regular season and then 9 in the post season.

This nasty trend of being frugal in free agency and then drafting projects in the draft has got to be one of the most retarded (non-derogatory literal definition) practices in all of football.

Rodgers is Rodgers is Rodgers. I believe he would come up with a reason to choke regardless of who was on the team, and I don't think he's mentally capable of getting back to a Super Bowl due to his inflated ego convincing him that it's everyone else's fault. That's fine. Whatever.

What's not fine is having Aaron Rodgers. Knowing how often he avoids the middle of the field. Knowing his extreme egotistical personality disorders. Knowing all of this and not using your greatest resource available to you in the draft.

I'm not even mad about the picks. ILBs always take two to three years before they hit their stride in the NFL. Simmons, White, Murray... Even Roquan Smith was lost AF early on.

But Gute 100% needs to be fired and removed with a security escort.

His literal MO is to draft players who will need replacing in the future.

He drafted Gary the same year we signed Smith and Smith. Like WTF sense does that make? Now I'm happy with the pick, but way to squander our 2019 chances by drafting a ****ing backup.

The very next year he drafts Love.

Like, yeah, great job you ****ing moron. Let's draft two premier positions that we already have for this Super Bowl run with the intention of sitting both of them for at least a year.

The year after he drafts Stokes. We had King, Alexander, Sullivan on the roster. Rolled into the season with MVS next to Adams, but it's okay because Elijah Moore probably missed church three times last year.

WHAT THE **** IS WITH GUTE DRAFTING BACKUPS?

The Chiefs just drafted about 7 players who had immediate and huge impacts on winning a ****ing Super Bowl.

And they're not even BPA. They're MAPA.

Most athletic players available.

This is unforgivable.

There's draft heavy teams, draft and develop teams, and then there's Gute who has to be labeled a Draft, Wait and Develop idiot ****ing moron.

 

Go on, get it all out. You'll feel better, after.

People (like you) like to express extremes. This is fantastic, that is terrible.

Truth is things are often more 'middling'. That's what I'd call Gute - kind of middling as a drafter - not great, not awful, but middling, spotty. He is a better at getting FAs in (one of his strengths, imo).

The biggest knock on him in my eyes is not his drafting, but him agreeing to a truly awful Rodgers contract that totally abandoned the fiscal prudence of decades, all for a crazy splash that worked out very poorly, imo. Was Murphy whispering in his ear, I have no idea, he may have been.

Edited February 13, 2023 by OneTwoSixFive