Old Guy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. This is exactly why I'm 100% for trading Rodgers. If you do this, you have to trade Love because he's not going to have a decent shot when you have to purge the roster next year of the ****ty cap situation. Time to move on! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{Family Ghost} Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. The Packers franchise doesn't have a true direction. They have been riding the fence for a long time. They kind of go all in when they keep guys like Aaron Jones at a high salary, but then they trade their top playmaker (Adams) for draft picks. Really they are doing it all wrong, and they might be about ready to double down again. We might be in for a world of hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. I don't think the needs for the team change whether Rodgers or Love is the QB. We still need a safety, at least a back-up pass rusher, a TE (or two), some kind of DL contributor, and probably a WR, K, and at least competition for RB. But I would probably have different plans for the back-up QB depending on which we roll with. And maybe I am just higher on our guys than everyone else, but I think this is at least a playoff roster with healthy OL and QB play all season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 Need someone receivers are afraid of getting hit by in this draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, ThatJerkDave said: I don't think the needs for the team change whether Rodgers or Love is the QB. We still need a safety, at least a back-up pass rusher, a TE (or two), some kind of DL contributor, and probably a WR, K, and at least competition for RB. But I would probably have different plans for the back-up QB depending on which we roll with. And maybe I am just higher on our guys than everyone else, but I think this is at least a playoff roster with healthy OL and QB play all season. I agree that Love should be able to take this team to the playoffs with a few well placed signings/draft picks. But if Rodgers comes back I want to sign/trade for proven players instead. Edited February 13, 2023 by Sandy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 It's a good roster. Ain't great, but it is good. Clear needs? Pass rushing EDGE. Safety. Tight end. Wants? DL. OL. C. I'm preparing to feign excitement when we draft that TE, Mayer. When he makes a great physical play, I'll call him Michael. When he stinks and wimps out, I'm calling him John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 hours ago, vegas492 said: It's a good roster. Ain't great, but it is good. Clear needs? Pass rushing EDGE. Safety. Tight end. Wants? DL. OL. C. I'm preparing to feign excitement when we draft that TE, Mayer. When he makes a great physical play, I'll call him Michael. When he stinks and wimps out, I'm calling him John. Thankfully, Gute still believes in positional value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 The Packers Wire - Three different mock drafts for the Packers, envisioning scenarios where the team trades Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders or Jets or doesn’t trade Rodgers at all. No trade 15th overall pick: Bryan Bresee, DL, Clemson 45th overall pick: Derick Hall, Edge, Auburn 78th overall pick: Trey Palmer, WR, Nebraska Trade to Raiders 7th overall pick: Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson 15th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 38th overall pick: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah 45th overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 78th overall pick: Puka Nacua, WR, BYU Trade to Jets 13th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 15th overall pick: Lukas Van Ness, Edge/DL, Iowa 43rd overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 45th overall pick: Tucker Kraft, TE, SDSU 78th overall pick: Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Leader said: The Packers Wire - Three different mock drafts for the Packers, envisioning scenarios where the team trades Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders or Jets or doesn’t trade Rodgers at all. No trade 15th overall pick: Bryan Bresee, DL, Clemson 45th overall pick: Derick Hall, Edge, Auburn 78th overall pick: Trey Palmer, WR, Nebraska Trade to Raiders 7th overall pick: Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson 15th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 38th overall pick: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah 45th overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 78th overall pick: Puka Nacua, WR, BYU Trade to Jets 13th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 15th overall pick: Lukas Van Ness, Edge/DL, Iowa 43rd overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 45th overall pick: Tucker Kraft, TE, SDSU 78th overall pick: Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati Would be hilarious to watch the meltdown if they traded Rodgers then drafted another QB in the first too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. I've been saying this for 5 years. Sadly, even if we went with that approach at this point, it might not be enough. This was the play in 2019-2021. Gute wouldn't make a move. I agree you still have to do it in 2023 if Rodgers comes back (assuming the goal is the SB), but we missed the window of opportunity. This is one of the primary reasons, tbh, why I hope we just trade Rodgers and move to Love. Because you're kidding yourself if you think Gute has the fortitude to pull off the necessary moves you are talking about for one more run. Never going to happen. Edited February 14, 2023 by packfanfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 On 2/13/2023 at 1:27 PM, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. This ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tperk Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 17 hours ago, Leader said: The Packers Wire - Three different mock drafts for the Packers, envisioning scenarios where the team trades Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders or Jets or doesn’t trade Rodgers at all. No trade 15th overall pick: Bryan Bresee, DL, Clemson 45th overall pick: Derick Hall, Edge, Auburn 78th overall pick: Trey Palmer, WR, Nebraska Trade to Raiders 7th overall pick: Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson 15th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 38th overall pick: Dalton Kincaid, TE, Utah 45th overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 78th overall pick: Puka Nacua, WR, BYU Trade to Jets 13th overall pick: Brian Branch, DB, Alabama 15th overall pick: Lukas Van Ness, Edge/DL, Iowa 43rd overall pick: Matthew Bergeron, OT, Syracuse 45th overall pick: Tucker Kraft, TE, SDSU 78th overall pick: Tyler Scott, WR, Cincinnati We better not draft a guy that was never a starter in college in the first round....ie Lukas Van Ness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PackFan13 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 On 2/13/2023 at 11:27 AM, Packerraymond said: So I've been one of the most staunch people in here that you don't change your draft strategy whether it's Love or Rodgers at QB, but I've changed my tune. The dead cap increase that you incur for bringing back Aaron, you absolutely must be all in, like true all in. That means entertaining trading a day 1 or 2 pick for a skill player floated on the block who's on a rookie deal (definitely not going to be the plethora of options like there was last year.) Also drafting for need and not BPA, taking a pro ready player like JSN (if health checks out) and plugging him right into the starting lineup vs a more potential laden player like Van Ness who might need 1-2 years like Gary. Basically, at it's core, bringing Rodgers back is a poor exercise when looking at long-term franchise health. Therefore the rest of your off-season needs to follow the same disregard for the future. Not saying it's prudent or what I want, but far too long we've lowered ourselves into the pool, got waist deep and just hung out and watched the rest of the league either stay out of the water or jump in. It's time for us to be 100% committed to something, and not 50/50. This is 3 years too late. You need to trade him if he's coming back. Gute is inept and put us in horrible positions for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 36 minutes ago, Tperk said: We better not draft a guy that was never a starter in college in the first round....ie Lukas Van Ness. That's the thing that confuses me about Van Ness. Why wasn't he ever a starter? Is it just the way they ran their scheme with rotating players? I don't know enough about Iowa football to know what went into all that, but it does seem a bit odd for a guy ranked so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 20 minutes ago, MaximusGluteus said: That's the thing that confuses me about Van Ness. Why wasn't he ever a starter? Is it just the way they ran their scheme with rotating players? I don't know enough about Iowa football to know what went into all that, but it does seem a bit odd for a guy ranked so high. He played as many snaps as anyone on that DL. Just lazy scouting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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