Scott Land Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 You will not convince me that Taylor is a better QB than Carson BUT.... You can't take Taylor out right now. The team is PLAYING for him. He's going to make some good and bad plays and has a noodle arm, but if the team is rallying around him the way that they are, you gotta let him ride until he really isn't doing it anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 46 minutes ago, Scott Land said: You will not convince me that Taylor is a better QB than Carson BUT.... You can't take Taylor out right now. The team is PLAYING for him. He's going to make some good and bad plays and has a noodle arm, but if the team is rallying around him the way that they are, you gotta let him ride until he really isn't doing it anymore. There’s something with Carson, I don’t know what it is & I can’t explain it, but he just doesn’t seem to have “it.” Someone once compared him to Jason Campbell, and I think that fit. You look at the guy &’his size and arm strength &’it’s a no brainer, but he just doesn’t have “it.” It’s hard to be a leader of 52 other guys & command the locker room, some older than you. It’s hard to not see the pass rush & to always be accurate at least short to intermediate to keep those chains moving. Carson has all the talent but he’s just not consistent enough and doesn’t seem to have “it.” I want him to succeed for us, but I fear he’ll never be “the guy” for a team. He’s most likely back up material the rest of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 47 minutes ago, Scott Land said: You will not convince me that Taylor is a better QB than Carson BUT.... You can't take Taylor out right now. The team is PLAYING for him. He's going to make some good and bad plays and has a noodle arm, but if the team is rallying around him the way that they are, you gotta let him ride until he really isn't doing it anymore. Playing at QB isn’t all about the physical tools. A knock on Carson has been leadership and the mental aspects. No way can you put Carson back under center right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naptownskinsfan Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 15 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: This is kind of a loaded question. Yes the entire team has improved in the past 4. From the coaching staff finally developing a gameplan that worked to the defense becoming a force, to the offensive line player better, Joey Slye nailing bombs, Jamin Davis has played significantly better, St. Juste has looked great during this stretch, and Taylor Heinicke has been a fiery force that resonates from the top down. The quarterback play, besides the number of sacks we are taking (partially in credit to the o-line), has not been significantly improved in my opinion. Heinicke is still who he was last year, he sails passes. He makes bad decisions. He misses reads. Do I prefer him to Carson Wentz? Absolutely. The disparity between the two QBs comes down to arm strength to me, that's it. Wentz can make passes that Heinicke can't. At this point I am ok with Taylor not having the arm strength as long as Scott Turner can do what he did against the Eagles. Plus having the 2nd round pick when Wentz is clearly not "the answer" at QB is way more beneficial. It’s amazing what an average defense as far as talent goes can do when they can actually make third down stops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Land Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 20 minutes ago, naptownskinsfan said: Playing at QB isn’t all about the physical tools. A knock on Carson has been leadership and the mental aspects. No way can you put Carson back under center right now. Being from North Dakota and graduating from NDSU, I know some things about the guy that makes me believe that there's a reason he's not a great leader. I thought he would gel better with this team since there are some older family guys on the team but we're starting to have more and more young guys playing now. And people may think I'm biased towards him but trust me I'm not. I don't even really cheer for NDSU's football team. Trey Lance was there at the same time as me and I was begging the entire time to not get a pick high enough to draft him and laughed really hard about the 49ers doing what they did. I also saw Christian Watson with him last spring in the bars and told him I hope Washington drafts him in the 4th round, obviously knowing he would go higher than that. I know playing QB isn't all about the physical tools, but with the speed of our receivers, we need someone who can get the ball down the field. If Taylor had the arm Carson does he would be a legit starter. But like I said, the team is rolling with Taylor so you have to let him ride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 To me the only question at this point is how long can Taylor keep this team in the hunt. If we are no longer in the hunt, then it is Howell time. Wentz isn't even in the conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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turtle28 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) On 11/16/2022 at 12:32 PM, ARTMONK HOF said: Carson will be fine, he’ll be the next in a long line of top back ups/fringe back 1/3 of the league starters who may get a chance to compete for jobs/start some games depending on circumstances for the next decade like Joe Flacco, Jameis Winston, Andy Dalton, Colt McCoy, Teddy Bridgewater, Mitch Trubisky, Marcus Mariota, Jacoby Brissett or Tyrod Taylor. Carson will make $5-10 mil for the next decade of his life & he’s already made $129 mil the first 7 seasons of his career. Edited November 23, 2022 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 12:14 PM, offbyone said: To me the only question at this point is how long can Taylor keep this team in the hunt. If we are no longer in the hunt, then it is Howell time. Wentz isn't even in the conversation. I would love this to be true, not sure it is bc well … Rivera but, I don’t feel we’ll be eliminated from the playoffs until week 17 at the latest, so maybe Howell gets to play vs the Browns & Cowboys? I can dig it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 11:39 AM, Scott Land said: Being from North Dakota and graduating from NDSU, I know some things about the guy that makes me believe that there's a reason he's not a great leader. I thought he would gel better with this team since there are some older family guys on the team but we're starting to have more and more young guys playing now. And people may think I'm biased towards him but trust me I'm not. I don't even really cheer for NDSU's football team. Trey Lance was there at the same time as me and I was begging the entire time to not get a pick high enough to draft him and laughed really hard about the 49ers doing what they did. I also saw Christian Watson with him last spring in the bars and told him I hope Washington drafts him in the 4th round, obviously knowing he would go higher than that. I know playing QB isn't all about the physical tools, but with the speed of our receivers, we need someone who can get the ball down the field. If Taylor had the arm Carson does he would be a legit starter. But like I said, the team is rolling with Taylor so you have to let him ride. The problem is sacks. Carson takes bad sacks thus, he doesn’t always hit the open receivers & just like Taylor at times Carson has poor footwork/a bad base or throw off his back foot & will throw high or an accurate to an open receiver. The offense functions better w/ Taylor bc he’s a better leader, he knows the offense better, he hits WRs on time more often, he can escape sacks rather than sitting there like a sitting duck & taking them, he gets the ball out rather than taking a sack & Taylor makes a few off schedule plays a game which Carson rarely does anymore like he used to hiss first 4 years in the league. All that adds up to more 2nd/3rd & shorts rather than 2nd/3rd & longs and more times we can run the ball & control the clock/win time of possession & keeping our D fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lavar703 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 “The Commanders often faced third-and-long scenarios under the boom-or-bust Wentz. Since Heinicke took over, Washington ranks second in average distance to go on third down at 5.6. Having manageable down-and-distance has helped generate first downs and churn the clock. The Commanders under Wentz had 21.6 percent of their drives end with a three-and-out, ranking 21st. That’s dropped to 16.7 percent, tied for ninth, with Heinicke.” -Ben Standig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 11/16/2022 at 12:14 PM, offbyone said: To me the only question at this point is how long can Taylor keep this team in the hunt. If we are no longer in the hunt, then it is Howell time. Wentz isn't even in the conversation. Howell Time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Land Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 13 hours ago, turtle28 said: The problem is sacks. Carson takes bad sacks thus, he doesn’t always hit the open receivers & just like Taylor at times Carson has poor footwork/a bad base or throw off his back foot & will throw high or an accurate to an open receiver. The offense functions better w/ Taylor bc he’s a better leader, he knows the offense better, he hits WRs on time more often, he can escape sacks rather than sitting there like a sitting duck & taking them, he gets the ball out rather than taking a sack & Taylor makes a few off schedule plays a game which Carson rarely does anymore like he used to hiss first 4 years in the league. All that adds up to more 2nd/3rd & shorts rather than 2nd/3rd & longs and more times we can run the ball & control the clock/win time of possession & keeping our D fresh. The oline has played substantially better. They didn't play well against the Vikings and Taylor took some bad sacks. The running game has also come alive and BRob is finally looking fairly healthy again which helps Tony which helps Taylor. Trai Turner and Norwell are finally getting in shape and are playing much better. Carson never had more than 3 seconds to throw the ball and the running game was non existent. Carson's not what he once was either, but there's a reason Taylor was a backup in the XFL and was out of the league. You won't convince me that Taylor is the better quarterback because he's not, but Taylor has earned the job by winning games and I hope he can keep it rolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, Scott Land said: Trai Turner and Norwell are finally getting in shape and are playing much better I think you nailed this. They were not in football shape when the season started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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