Week 10 GDT Broncos (3-5) @ Titans (5-3)

[AKRNA]

12 minutes ago, broncosfan07 said:

At this point if we score 30 in a game once this season maybe everyone keeps their jobs.. 

Well, lets hope we don't score 30. I don't think we can though so things should be fine.

[lomaxgrUK]

3rd choice LT, 3rd choice RT, 3rd choice Center.

We couldn't move the ball with the 1st choice options in there.

It's been a while since I've seen a player with as less of a clue out there than Wattenberg. Not ideal when he's protecting the quickest route to the QB.

[AKRNA]

40 minutes ago, broncos67 said:

Fire everyone. Goodbye Hackett. What a gross performance once again. This guy sucks.

I remember we had a good conversation last year regarding HC duties and responsibilities. Things like player development, game day readiness, on field calls, etc. I think we both agreed that having a team ready to play on gameday was the top priority. 

How is it that Hacketts still here? His offense hasn't been ready to play all year. That's all Hackett. Our wins we've scored 21, 16 and 11 pts. Those aren't offensive wins. 

It's almost criminal that we've only allowed over 20 pts once, have held 7 opponents to 17 or less and are a feeble 3-6. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by AKRNA

[Dbrog24]

Can anyone explain to me why on the last play, Russ..the dude who's gonna be 13th all time in TDs, throws a pick when he's looking RIGHT AT and THROWING TOWARDS a wide open Sutton? Wtf happened to him?

[paul-mac]

27 minutes ago, lomaxgrUK said:

3rd choice LT, 3rd choice RT, 3rd choice Center.

We couldn't move the ball with the 1st choice options in there.

It's been a while since I've seen a player with as less of a clue out there than Wattenberg. Not ideal when he's protecting the quickest route to the QB.

Can Meinerz play C? Would make more sense to me to put Muti at RG and move Meinerz across than have the useless Wattenberg in the game. 

[Broncofan]

God, I don't know that I can add much more than already has been said - took a family day and went to the movies with the kids right after the game.  

A few thoughts:

-OL was awful for sure.  Really we're on 3rd string guys.   That can't be avoided - but I'd like to point out our game-calling made ZERO adjustments for the fact we had such a bad OL.   Orlando Franklin called it here:

 

-The other part - once Jeudy left the game, how do we design FOUR targets for Greg Dulcich?    He should be getting at least 8+ if we're down 2 of our top 3 WR's (and if we're throwing it 40X, I want to see 8+ targets to Dulcich unless he's being doubled all night long - and with TEN's zone coverage, that certainly wasn't the case).  

-The penalties just reflect such poor coaching and preparation.  And it was OFF A FREAKING BYE.

-Finally, we showed NOTHING new coming off a bye.   NOTHING.   That's unbelievable.   We're such an easy O to defend against - talent-wise, we don't have anyone who consistently separates at WR if Jeudy isn't there (Sutton wins with contested catches and box-out, 50-50 - Hinton played as well as he could have, but still not a mega-separator), and Dulcich is our only TE weapon.   Edmonds could be a pass weapon, but he needs time to absorb the playbook (although maybe not if it's as simple as it appears to outsiders).     And if there wasn't convincing evidence that Hackett has no idea how to exploit a D, witness:

 

So the only TD play wasn't even by design from Hackett.    Man, it's just brutal.

-Final observation - our WR corps without Jeudy, well it's going to look rough if we don't improve the play-calling - because of the lack of separators.   If it's a LAS, that's best-case - an Achilles would have been a backbreaker - because it would have taken away the most important skill Jeudy owns that makes him different.    As much as it sucks to lose in general, it seems we dodged a bullet there.

To be clear - Wilson wasn't good today either.   The OL was turrible.   But with the OL, it's just a case of being that depleted - expecting 3rd stringers to play OK is a tall task, especially at C with no game prep.   But the complete lack of adaptation of our O, whether it was with 2 weeks or prep, or a clear realization that our OL couldn't protect for long-developing plays (but Hackett kept calling for it anyways).  

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I really want us to win the next 2 games (LV at home, @ CAR), but man - I don't know how much more I can take watching Hackett at the helm.  Yes, the OL sucks.  Yes, Russ needs to be better (although today, the OL / lack of WR talent made it a tough go - but you still have to be better at getting the ball out and not taking the sacks). 

I don't know how Paton and the ownership can't see Hackett needs to go now.   Show the D that ppl aren't going to accept the status quo.  Enough is enough.

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by Broncofan

[AKRNA]

56 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

 

I don't know how Paton and the ownership can't see Hackett needs to go now.   Show the D that ppl aren't going to accept the status quo.  Enough is enough.

I can't think of one reason to keep him. The FO can't consider him part of our future and his positive contributions in the present are non-existent.

Let Capers finish up the year and see what we've got and what we need on the coaching staff. Our OL staff has to go. They're awful. Considering Kuper is doing a great job in Minnesota makes it really tough to swallow. IMO it's audition time for the entire offensive staff. Do we have an OC on staff? Time to figure that out.

Oh, we need to table the "Evero" for HC talk. We've become masters of the "Peter Principle". We hire a great personnel and draft guy in Paton. He excels there. Then we ask him to build the frachise, hire the HC and run the entire football side of things. He's no Gil Brandt and failed miserably there. Now we'll blame it on him and fire him 'cause he isn't good at things he's never done and wasn't hired to do.

Great! So lets elevate Evero, a kid doing fantastic as a first year DC to an interim HC spot, then blame him for the mess.

[broncos67]

14 hours ago, AKRNA said:

I remember we had a good conversation last year regarding HC duties and responsibilities. Things like player development, game day readiness, on field calls, etc. I think we both agreed that having a team ready to play on gameday was the top priority. 

How is it that Hacketts still here? His offense hasn't been ready to play all year. That's all Hackett. Our wins we've scored 21, 16 and 11 pts. Those aren't offensive wins. 

It's almost criminal that we've only allowed over 20 pts once, have held 7 opponents to 17 or less and are a feeble 3-6. 

Coming off a bye and seeing that performance tells me the guy is out of ideas and shouldn't be there. The defense shows up every single week. The offense hasn't shown up yet. If we scored 18 (!!!!) PPG, we'd be 8-1. EIGHTEEN. I acknowledge there's just a ridiculous number of injuries, but there are teams doing more with less. 

He needs to be fired. There's no justification for keeping him. I am certain he'll last the season for whatever reason, but the Wal-Mart crew is smart enough to see this is leading to general fan apathy. He'll be out the door after the season and if he's not, it's going to be extremely toxic in Denver.

[champ11]

1 hour ago, broncos67 said:

Coming off a bye and seeing that performance tells me the guy is out of ideas and shouldn't be there. The defense shows up every single week. The offense hasn't shown up yet. If we scored 18 (!!!!) PPG, we'd be 8-1. EIGHTEEN. I acknowledge there's just a ridiculous number of injuries, but there are teams doing more with less. 

He needs to be fired. There's no justification for keeping him. I am certain he'll last the season for whatever reason, but the Wal-Mart crew is smart enough to see this is leading to general fan apathy. He'll be out the door after the season and if he's not, it's going to be extremely toxic in Denver.

Yeah at a certain point you just need to fire the guy. He’s not a head coach level talent. It’s tough to watch as a fan. 

[jolly red giant]

Despite having the best pedigree you can still end up with a donkey - and while Hackett has some pedigree it is nowhere near the best.

Hackett had two weeks since London to build on that last drive that won the game and - nothing.

Apart from the rout against the Bills, nobody has held Derrick Henry to 50yds rushing. In the five games before yesterday he average 136yds per game. Evero did what he needed to do to help Hackett win the game and the dunce came up with a big fat loss again.

There is no reason to keep him around - all he is doing is improving where the Seahawks will be picking in the first and second rounds. 

[broncos_fan _from _uk]

Lots of excuses to be made but it’s apparent that despite have a good plan for the culture of the organization the lack of talent/experience coaching and preparing the offense and making adjustments on game day it too big to overcome. 
 

Like I said in the coaching search thread I started a couple weeks ago, it’s a foregone conclusion at this point. I think what the FO is balancing is the optics of not giving a coach time (which could drive away better candidates) vs the need to evaluate our players moving forward while looking to next year.

[Broncofan]

47 minutes ago, broncos_fan _from _uk said:

Lots of excuses to be made but it’s apparent that despite have a good plan for the culture of the organization the lack of talent/experience coaching and preparing the offense and making adjustments on game day it too big to overcome. 
 

Like I said in the coaching search thread I started a couple weeks ago, it’s a foregone conclusion at this point. I think what the FO is balancing is the optics of not giving a coach time (which could drive away better candidates) vs the need to evaluate our players moving forward while looking to next year.

The way to counter that concern is with guaranteed years / salary.    
 

At this point even NFL execs, former players, etc.  are saying it should be done.    There are exceptions that prove the rule - this is one of them.  

[AnAngryAmerican]

I’m in favor of firing Hackett now but it does nothing. There is no one in this staff who should be a HC of this train wreck right not. No, not Capers, and definitely no to Evero (not that he won’t be a HC soon and likely a damn good one, but let him be the DC).

Firing Hackett now does no good. Just ride it out. We knew midway through Vance’s tenure he wasn’t it, we knew Mac wasn’t it before he coached a single game (his 6-0 start coupled with Ellis’ ineptitude/arrogance, bought him the second season) and we knew Vic wasn’t the guy when he ordered a cheeseburger at Elway’s and admitted to not prepping for the interview; Vic got 3 years because the team ownership situation. 

George has done largely well in so many respects, the Hackett hire - and I liked it SO much, as did many of us - was just a colossal blunder, but I can see the appeal. George gets one more shot for a HC, and the Walmarts get one more. 

Hackett can be shown the door after this year and then we start over. But the last, and I mean the LAST thingI want to hear is Russ having ANY say or influence over the next hire. If George/the Walmarts even consult him I’m done.

I said it weeks ago, bordering now on months ago - Russ’ special treatment needs to end and they need to give Klint play-calling. If they lose at home to the McRaiders this week, the fans are going to riot at Mile High. 

[paul-mac]

Why not do a Colts move and bring in and ex player to see things through to the end of the season? Keep all the co-ordinators in place but I would fire Hackett and maybe get someone like Champ Bailey into to be the head coach for the last few games. 

[Broncofan]

It’s comments like these that just show how out of depth Hackett is:

1.  You are down to 3rd-string OL and you weren’t great with the first string OL regardless.  

2.   Your RB all are below average runners now.    
 

3. The only chance we get is when we’re going tempo or crossing the D up.   But we run so much on 1st with vanilla dives and do nothing with it.   And I’m talking every week.  Our predictability and lack of imagination in the actual play calls are just mind-numbing to watch.   And again - this week’s disaster was off a BYE.    

 

All we get each week is Hackett drawing up the same exact plays that don’t work.  And a run game that’s just giving up plays with 0-1 yards or worse penalties / negative plays.    And this was the best idea Hackett could come up with after 2 weeks of prep?  And he’s shocked?   In-freaking-believable.  

To be clear if we want long term success we need to run the ball well.  But in THIS O it should be quick tempo, rapid pace pass-based O.   Then run with successful play before putting the D on its heels when we’re using tempo.  
 

Instead we get dives for 1-2 yards on 1st down, or penalties (or both) and then face 2nd/3rd and 10+.    Plus 5-7 step drop backs with slowly developing routes.     Again Wilson and the OL deserve their share.   But OMG it’s nuts that the ownership and Paton read stuff like this week in and week out - and think Hackett needs more time.   He doesn’t.  

Edited November 14, 2022 by Broncofan