NJerseypaint Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, biggie. said: Take Hill off Miami and Waddle will just pick up some of the slack. Take JJ off Minnesota and that entire offense comes to a grinding halt. So Hill is worse than JJ because he has Waddle on his team? Alternatively, was JJ somehow worse when Theilen was playing at a high level? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerbertGOAT Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 12:06 AM, Yin-Yang said: Jefferson is a better, more skillful wide receiver but Hill is more impactful and a more dangerous weapon. Came here to say this, because it's the only correct answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 21 hours ago, Chiefer said: He also has Waddle opening up deep coverages, McDaniel scheming up plays(particularly run plays), and while Tua isn’t Mahomes he certainly knows how to manage a talented WR corp and get the ball to playmakers accurately. That's all true. But I think Tyreek being on pace for the greatest season in NFL history after he just left arguably the best offense/QB/offensive coach in the league cements his status as the best receiver in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, biggie. said: Take Hill off Miami and Waddle will just pick up some of the slack. Take JJ off Minnesota and that entire offense comes to a grinding halt. The Dolphins were 25th in ypg/22nd in ppg last season with Tua and Waddle and now they're up to 3rd and 7th. They went from below average to one of the elite units in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 hours ago, NJerseypaint said: So Hill is worse than JJ because he has Waddle on his team? Alternatively, was JJ somehow worse when Theilen was playing at a high level? Even without Jefferson the Vikings would still have Cook, Thielen, and Hockenson. They were a playoff team with a top 10 offense the year before they drafted Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Even without Jefferson the Vikings would still have Cook, Thielen, and Hockenson. They were a playoff team with a top 10 offense the year before they drafted Jefferson. I mean, they did have Diggs that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I mean, they did have Diggs that season. That's true but the Vikings offense had already shown that it could support a top tier receiving option and he was able to step into that role with a very productive QB from day one. The Dolphins passing offense before Tyreek was average at best with Tua and Waddle, who has proven to be an elite WR in his own right. Waddle's on pace to have more yards on half the receptions in half the games. Not taking anything away from Jefferson, he's amazing. But for me personally it's just difficult to say that he's not the best WR in football considering most WR's that switch teams see a dip in production while he's producing at a historic rate and has elevated them from below average to elite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: The Dolphins were 25th in ypg/22nd in ppg last season with Tua and Waddle and now they're up to 3rd and 7th. They went from below average to one of the elite units in the league. They also have a new coach. Tyreek is faster. Justin Jefferson is a better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 36 minutes ago, biggie. said: They also have a new coach. Tyreek is faster. Justin Jefferson is a better player. The new coach definitely helps but I think it's safe to say that the main reason they went from below average to elite is because of Tyreek, the dude that's currently on pace to have the greatest season in NFL history. Production doesn't even tell the whole story either because as you said JJ has played in a worse offense, thus more opportunities, while Hill has played with another All-Pro target hog in KC and Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, NYRaider said: The new coach definitely helps but I think it's safe to say that the main reason they went from below average to elite is because of Tyreek, the dude that's currently on pace to have the greatest season in NFL history. Production doesn't even tell the whole story either because as you said JJ has played in a worse offense, thus more opportunities, while Hill has played with another All-Pro target hog in KC and Miami. Sorry to be that guy, but Jefferson is on pace for a better season. He's just played 1 less game because of the Bye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Sorry to be that guy, but Jefferson is on pace for a better season. He's just played 1 less game because of the Bye. That's true I didn't even realize it, lol. Well they're both on pace to have the best season in NFL history this year. I agree with what most have said though, Jefferson is probably a better "WR" and Tyreek is a better "weapon." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdonnelly21 Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/14/2022 at 9:26 PM, Chiefer said: One Guy leads the league in receiving, the other is regularly the best player on the field for both teams. Which one is the Best Receiver in the league? On 11/15/2022 at 12:06 AM, Yin-Yang said: Jefferson is a better, more skillful wide receiver but Hill is more impactful and a more dangerous weapon. So lets say this. Right now with a clean roster who would you rather have? Lets take out of it. Which WR gives you a better chance of winning regardless of who the roster is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 My take: Tyreek Hill shares a rare talent with Keenan Allen to get open quickly, stop, turn, allow a defender to draw a bead on him, catch the ball, magically avoid the easy tackle, and wind up in the end zone rather than in a Stryker frame. Hill can make QBs far worse than Mahomes and Tua look good while making defenders look really, really bad, especially after the catch. Justin Jefferson is the ultimate deep moving target, requiring an accurate strong armed QB with a high Average Depth of Target, a thrower at least as good as Kirk Cousins, and would profit from an even better one. Hill may be faster but Jefferson makes defenders look like they are wading hip deep in jello before the catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 11/19/2022 at 3:52 PM, mdonnelly21 said: So lets say this. Right now with a clean roster who would you rather have? Lets take out of it. Which WR gives you a better chance of winning regardless of who the roster is... Clean roster, everything into account: Jefferson because he’s 5 years younger, on a cheaper deal, and will likely age better. Clean roster for just one season, or without taking age/contract into account: Hill, better weapon. Better chance to win: Hill, better weapon. Who I would want on a GWD with 2:00 on the clock and no timeouts: Jefferson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 10 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Clean roster, everything into account: Jefferson because he’s 5 years younger, on a cheaper deal, and will likely age better. Clean roster for just one season, or without taking age/contract into account: Hill, better weapon. Better chance to win: Hill, better weapon. Who I would want on a GWD with 2:00 on the clock and no timeouts: Jefferson. This is pretty much perfectly stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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