General Tso Posted December 24, 2022 Share Posted December 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: How we looking, Boyz?: 8. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 13. Kelee Ringo CB Georgia 40. Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama 43. Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State 48. Nolan Smith EDGE Georgia 60. Jordan Battle S Alabama 65. Jaelyn Duncan OT/OL Maryland 120. Zach Harrison EDGE Ohio State 144. Colby Wooden DT/DE Auburn 152. Zak Zinter OG Michigan 185. Deshawn Pace LB Cincinnati 199. Jayden Reed WR Michigan State Would be a dream draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: How we looking, Boyz?: 8. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 13. Kelee Ringo CB Georgia 40. Jahmyr Gibbs RB Alabama 43. Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State 48. Nolan Smith EDGE Georgia 60. Jordan Battle S Alabama 65. Jaelyn Duncan OT/OL Maryland 120. Zach Harrison EDGE Ohio State 144. Colby Wooden DT/DE Auburn 152. Zak Zinter OG Michigan 185. Deshawn Pace LB Cincinnati 199. Jayden Reed WR Michigan State Nice. I like it. Alot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted December 24, 2022 Author Share Posted December 24, 2022 1 (4) Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia - Starting 3T. Stud DL to take attention away from Hutch outside. Good at applying pressure, stout in the run game. 1 (18) Joey Porter Jr, CB, Penn State - Starting CB from day 1. 2 (48) Tank Bigsby, RB Auburn - Starting RB with great vision and not afraid of contact. Could make Swift expendable and possible trade bait. 2 (60) Jaylon Jones, CB Texas A & M - Potential starting CB with good tackling ability. 3 (79) Isaiah Land, LB Florida A & M - 6'4" 225lb coverage LB who understand angles, good motor and touch as hell. Think he will show out at the senior bowl. 5 (148) Sataoa Laumea, OG Utah - Starting RG. All Pac 12 lineman twice. 6 (167) Jaxon Kirkland, OT Washington - Backup OT that can also swing inside. Good base, mobility and size. 6'7" 310lbs. 6 (179) Bryce Ford-Wheaton, WR West Virginia - Big bodied receiver. OFFENSE QB: Goff, Sudfeld RB: Bigsby, Williams, Swift, Jackson FB: Cabinda WR: Chark, Ford-Wheaton SWR: ARSB, Raymond WR: Williams, Reynolds TE: Wright, Zylstra, Mitchell LT: Decker, Sewell LG: Jackson, Skipper OC: Ragnow, Brown RG: Laumea, Skipper RT: Sewell, Kirkland DEFENSE DE: Cominsky, Houston DT: McNeill, Buggs DT: Carter, Paschal, Onwuzurike DE: Hutchinson, R. Okwara SLB: Anzalone, Land WLB: Rodriguez, Barnes CB: Okudah, Jones, Hughes SCB: Harris, Lucas CB: Porter, Jacobs FS: Walker, Melifonwu SS: Joseph, Elliott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 1(7) Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson 1(18) Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia 2 (49) Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State 2(60) Cedric Gray, LB, North Carolina 3(81) Christian Haynes, RG, Conneticut 3 (88) Zach Charbonnet, RB, UCLA 5 (145) Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 6 (162) McClendon Curtis, OL, Chattanooga 6 (177) Ivan Pace Jr, LB, Cincinnati OFFENSE QB: Goff, Sudfeld RB: Williams, Charbonnet, Swift, Jackson FB: Cabinda WR: Chark, X. Hutchinson SWR: ARSB, Raymond WR: Williams, Reynolds TE: Wright, Zylstra, Mitchell LT: Decker, Sewell LG: Jackson, Skipper OC: Ragnow, Brown RG: Haynes, Skipper RT: Sewell, Curtis DEFENSE DE: Murphy, Paschal, Cominsky, DT: McNeill DT: Buggs, Onwuzurike DE: Hutchinson, R. Okwara, Houston SLB: Anzalone, Gray, Barnes WLB: Rodriguez, Pace CB: Okudah, Forbes, Hughes SCB: Harris, Lucas CB: Ringo, Jacobs FS: Walker, Melifonwu SS: Joseph, Elliott Edited December 28, 2022 by Karnage84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Karnage84 said: 1(7) Myles Murphy, Edge, Clemson 1(18) Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia 2 (49) Emmanuel Forbes, CB, Mississippi State 2(60) Cedric Gray, LB, North Carolina 3(81) Christian Haynes, RG, Conneticut 3 (88) Zach Charbonnet, RB, UCLA 5 (145) Xavier Hutchinson, WR, Iowa State 6 (162) McClendon Curtis, OL, Chattanooga 6 (177) Ivan Pace Jr, LB, Cincinnati Love those top 3. I'd be shocked if Ringo is there at 18, but with several months to go it could really shake out that way. I'm pretty high on Murphy as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 31 minutes ago, LionArkie said: Love those top 3. I'd be shocked if Ringo is there at 18, but with several months to go it could really shake out that way. I'm pretty high on Murphy as well. When I'm reading or watching draft coverage right now, they use Travon Walker as a comp for Murphy. As we all know, Walker went 1st overall to the Jags last year. If we can pair someone with elite level traits (who still needs some time to develop) with Hutchinson, we could have the makings of an elite level D line. We can still have a role for guys like Paschal and Cominsky while Murphy doesn't have to come in as an every down starter. It'll be interesting to see how things shake up. We've seen guys like CJ Henderson (or Jeff Okudah) get drafted high and pushing other guys down. Sometimes there isn't a clear and obvious #1 in different draft classes. This years CB group feels like it's that way for now. You're adding two guys this early in the draft because a) One guy falls to you as BPA (especially in surprising fashion) and b) the guys on your roster are showing you they aren't long-term solutions as starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 5, 2023 Author Share Posted January 5, 2023 6. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 17. Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn State 47. Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State 59. Layden Robinson OG Texas A&M 78. Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati 148. Tuli Tuipulotu DT USC 167. Jay Ward S LSU 179. Jake Moody K Michigan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 On 1/5/2023 at 2:42 AM, Louis Friend said: 6. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 17. Joey Porter Jr. CB Penn State 47. Emmanuel Forbes CB Mississippi State 59. Layden Robinson OG Texas A&M 78. Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati 148. Tuli Tuipulotu DT USC 167. Jay Ward S LSU 179. Jake Moody K Michigan I like this a lot and have done some very similar but going with Antonio Johnson instead of Porter. I really like his ability to play the nickel and S and support the run with his tackling ability. Adding him with Forbes/Witherspoon/Hodges-Tomlinson/Williams would be a solid addition to our DBs. Maybe even two of them with Johnson. It is funny to me how different the two sites rankings are on some players. Witherspoon and Williams are ranked 116 and 170 on PFN and 38 and 37 on PFF. Layden Robinson is 64 on PFN and 165 on PFF. Jarrett Patterson is 69 on PFN and 248 on PFF. Tanner McKee is 150 on PFN and 19 on PFF. I am guessing these will move closer by draft day but shocking how different they are on some of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 I just did a 3 rounder because PFN mock machine was making bizarre picks at #1 and/or #2. 6) Jalen Carter, DT, Georgia: The Bears traded down with the Seahawks (they took Will Anderson but if they're trading up it would likely be for Stroud who went #3). This left Carter available for us in this spot 17) Christian Gonzalez, CB, Oregon: Gonzalez has really good size for the position. He's above average on all three key categories (from PFF): OVR; Run Defense and Coverage. His zone ranking of 77.1 is similar to Porter's man ranking of 79 while Porter's zone is similar to CG's man ranking (64 vs 62). What solidifies this for me is a couple things - 1) Missed Tackles - CG - 4.29% vs JP - 23.08%; 2) Run Defense - CG - 75.9 vs JP - 53.2; 3) INT/TG - CG 6.9% vs JP - 0%. CG is better in the run, better at takeaways and rarely misses tackles (leading to bigger plays) 47) Jahmyr Gibbs, RB, Alabama: This is one part BPA, another part addressing future concerns. We're not sure what the Lions want to do with Swift. Gibbs is getting Alvin Kamara comps and we could potentially see both Swift and Gibbs getting touches in the backfield. Both players are explosive and can contribute in the running game. For a team that wants to run the ball, we'd have one of the strongest backfields in the league. If Swift wants too much money or he doesn't want to come back, we have his replacement already in hand. 59) Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson, CB, TCU: He would likely be a guy that plays in the slot. For a smaller statured player, he's graded well in the run and coverage; he has a 4.3% INT/TGT (above average), and only scored against 1.4% of coverage snaps. His run defense grade is just barely under the average (70.5) and his missed tackle rate is under the average at 11.49%. 78) Bralen Trice, Edge, Washington: Trice has the highest pressure % out of all 2023 eligible edge's at 20%. He has the highest hits % and 3rd highest hurries %. He's going to need to work playing against the run and would likely slot in as a pass-rushing specialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 6, 2023 Author Share Posted January 6, 2023 45 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said: I like this a lot and have done some very similar but going with Antonio Johnson instead of Porter. I really like his ability to play the nickel and S and support the run with his tackling ability. Adding him with Forbes/Witherspoon/Hodges-Tomlinson/Williams would be a solid addition to our DBs. Maybe even two of them with Johnson. It is funny to me how different the two sites rankings are on some players. Witherspoon and Williams are ranked 116 and 170 on PFN and 38 and 37 on PFF. Layden Robinson is 64 on PFN and 165 on PFF. Jarrett Patterson is 69 on PFN and 248 on PFF. Tanner McKee is 150 on PFN and 19 on PFF. I am guessing these will move closer by draft day but shocking how different they are on some of these guys. Yeah, I like PFFs layout better, but PFNs player rankings are closer to my own. And PFF only gives you a set list of players to choose from whereas PFN you can search 400+ prospects. I really like Antonio Johnson as well. I see him more as a NB/S also. Massive upgrade from Will Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: Yeah, I like PFFs layout better, but PFNs player rankings are closer to my own. And PFF only gives you a set list of players to choose from whereas PFN you can search 400+ prospects. I really like Antonio Johnson as well. I see him more as a NB/S also. Massive upgrade from Will Harris. I think PFN updates their mock simulator more frequently pre-draft season than PFF does. That's probably where some of the discrepancy comes from. I do really like (Antonio) Johnson as well. However, I wonder whether the Lions staff like Harris in his current role more than we do. Harris grades out pretty well in tackling - is average in run defense and coverage. He has an elite level grade (82.2) in zone coverage (only 52.8 in man). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 1/4/2023 at 11:42 PM, Louis Friend said: 148. Tuli Tuipulotu DT USC Will be long gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miblue Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 No trades, just did the thing. 6 Jalen Carter DL | Georgia A 17 Christian Gonzalez CB | Oregon A+ 47 Jahmyr Gibbs RB | Alabama A 59 Jarrett Patterson IOL | Notre Dame B+ 78 Hendon Hooker QB | Tennessee A+ 151 Owen Pappoe LB | Auburn A+ 179 Ji'Ayir Brown S | Penn State A+ 191 Rome Odunze WR | Washington 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 6. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 18. Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon 48. Jordan Battle S Alabama 59. Jarrett Patterson OG Notre Dame 81. Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois 149. Jaxson Kirkland OT Washington 169. Karl Brooks DT Bowling Green 180. Jake Moody K Michigan OFFENSE QB: Goff RB: Williams, Swift, Jackson FB: Cabinda WR: Chark SWR: ARSB, Raymond WR: Williams, Reynolds TE: Wright, Zylstra, Mitchell LT: Decker, Sewell LG: Jackson, Skipper OC: Ragnow, Brown RG: Patterson, Skipper RT: Sewell, Kirkland DEFENSE DE: Houston, Paschal DT: McNeill, Buggs DT: Carter, Brooks, Onwuzurike DE: Hutchinson, Cominsky SLB: Anzalone, Barnes WLB: Rodriguez CB: Okudah, Witherspoon, Melifonwu SCB: Harris, Lucas CB: Gonzalez, Jacobs FS: Walker, Battle, Moore SS: Joseph, Elliott SPECIAL TEAMS K: Moody P: Fox LS: Daly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sllim Pickens Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Louis Friend said: 6. Jalen Carter DT Georgia 18. Christian Gonzalez CB Oregon 48. Jordan Battle S Alabama 59. Jarrett Patterson OG Notre Dame 81. Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois 149. Jaxson Kirkland OT Washington 169. Karl Brooks DT Bowling Green 180. Jake Moody K Michigan OFFENSE QB: Goff RB: Williams, Swift, Jackson FB: Cabinda WR: Chark SWR: ARSB, Raymond WR: Williams, Reynolds TE: Wright, Zylstra, Mitchell LT: Decker, Sewell LG: Jackson, Skipper OC: Ragnow, Brown RG: Patterson, Skipper RT: Sewell, Kirkland DEFENSE DE: Houston, Paschal DT: McNeill, Buggs DT: Carter, Brooks, Onwuzurike DE: Hutchinson, Cominsky SLB: Anzalone, Barnes WLB: Rodriguez CB: Okudah, Witherspoon, Melifonwu SCB: Harris, Lucas CB: Gonzalez, Jacobs FS: Walker, Battle, Moore SS: Joseph, Elliott SPECIAL TEAMS K: Moody P: Fox LS: Daly I think thats about as ideal of a mock as we could get. I do think Witherspoon will be gone by the early second but if he dropped I would be all for grabbing him there. I try not to because I dont expect him to be there but it is always enticing. I would like to see a LB drafted but can always bring in someone in FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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