AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, wackywabbit said: Imagine thinking Huntley putting up 10 points with a pick on his own side of the field shows Lamar's lack of value. Are you telling me after watching today's game you don't think Lamar's trade value moved any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 hour ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Are you telling me after watching today's game you don't think Lamar's trade value moved any? No, why would it? He played 2 series. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 1 minute ago, AngusMcFife said: No, why would it? He played 2 series. ??? he played 4 series, and we punted all 4 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: ??? he played 4 series, and we punted all 4 times. No. I just DVR’d the game because this sounded off. Lamar played three possessions, but only finished off two. Huntley finished off the 3rd series after Lamar went down with the knee. So there’s no evidence to suggest that Lamar wouldn’t have scrambled for a first down or completed a pass to keep the drive alive, all we know is it was 3rd and 13 after a sack. Also Lamar was hitting the same short completions as Huntley to start the game. He did miss Andrews short over the middle and he didn’t hit Andrews on a hot read when Andrews didn’t have his head turned, so he went Duvernay for the one yard completion. But to the point of possessions, Lamar’s completed drives resulted in 2 punts. First drive started at ~8:49, second drive at ~5:15, and 3rd drive at ~1:15. Lamar ended the drive at the end of the first quarter and Huntley took the 3rd and 13, threw short of the sticks, and that resulted in the punt. Edited December 5, 2022 by diamondbull424 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 Lamar is overrated, because he is injured. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 10 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Are you telling me after watching today's game you don't think Lamar's trade value moved any? No, of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 5, 2022 Share Posted December 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Lamar is overrated, because he is injured. no, he's overrated because he sucks as a passer (again) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 22 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: no, he's overrated because he sucks as a passer (again) It's just bizarre that you say that he sucks as a passer and yet the Ravens are 8th in passing offense DVOA. Given the weapons he has at his disposal and his best offensive player (Stanley) has been out for 2/3 of the year, I'd say Lamar has done pretty well. Your assessment of Lamar's passing seems to be an emotional response to his last game rather than assessing his overall productivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: It's just bizarre that you say that he sucks as a passer and yet the Ravens are 8th in passing offense DVOA. Given the weapons he has at his disposal and his best offensive player (Stanley) has been out for 2/3 of the year, I'd say Lamar has done pretty well. Your assessment of Lamar's passing seems to be an emotional response to his last game rather than assessing his overall productivity. Nah it's an objective response to his last, like, 8 games, actually. I think the last "good" game he had was Tampa and the 2nd half of the JAX game. Aside from that, he's been pretty mediocre at best. Since week 3 (average per game): 61% completion | 185 passing yards | 6.4 Y/A | 6 AY/A Week Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Rush Yds Y/A 4 20 29 68.97 144 1 2 63 2 10 4.97 2.55 11 73 6.64 5 19 32 59.38 174 1 1 71.6 1 4 5.44 4.66 12 58 4.83 6 17 32 53.13 210 1 1 71.1 2 15 6.56 5.78 7 77 11 7 9 16 56.25 120 0 0 80.2 3 26 7.5 7.5 10 59 5.9 8 27 38 71.05 238 2 0 104.9 3 16 6.26 7.32 9 43 4.78 9 12 22 54.55 133 1 0 87.9 3 2 6.05 6.95 11 82 7.45 11 24 33 72.73 209 0 1 76.5 3 16 6.33 4.97 11 31 2.82 12 16 32 50 254 1 0 87.2 1 1 7.94 8.56 14 89 6.36 Averages: 60.76 185.25 0.88 0.63 80.30 6.38 6.04 10.63 64.00 6.22 Is that good to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Nah it's an objective response to his last, like, 8 games, actually. I think the last "good" game he had was Tampa and the 2nd half of the JAX game. Aside from that, he's been pretty mediocre at best. Since week 3 (average per game): 61% completion | 185 passing yards | 6.4 Y/A | 6 AY/A Week Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Rush Yds Y/A 4 20 29 68.97 144 1 2 63 2 10 4.97 2.55 11 73 6.64 5 19 32 59.38 174 1 1 71.6 1 4 5.44 4.66 12 58 4.83 6 17 32 53.13 210 1 1 71.1 2 15 6.56 5.78 7 77 11 7 9 16 56.25 120 0 0 80.2 3 26 7.5 7.5 10 59 5.9 8 27 38 71.05 238 2 0 104.9 3 16 6.26 7.32 9 43 4.78 9 12 22 54.55 133 1 0 87.9 3 2 6.05 6.95 11 82 7.45 11 24 33 72.73 209 0 1 76.5 3 16 6.33 4.97 11 31 2.82 12 16 32 50 254 1 0 87.2 1 1 7.94 8.56 14 89 6.36 Averages: 60.76 185.25 0.88 0.63 80.30 6.38 6.04 10.63 64.00 6.22 Is that good to you? Who is he throwing to? Mark Andrews and a bunch of scrubs? Look at QBs around the league and who is thriving compared to prior seasons. Geno, Hurts, Tua... what do they all have in common? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: Who is he throwing to? Mark Andrews and a bunch of scrubs? Look at QBs around the league and who is thriving compared to prior seasons. Geno, Hurts, Tua... what do they all have in common? Yeah his supporting cast has been garbage but he's also been not good. I posted somewhere in another thread but his accuracy stats this year (which are independent of supporting cast) are the lowest he's had since his rookie year. Yes, the front office completely failed him this year with how they mismanaged the WR position, but Lamar himself hasn't helped. I hate one-play samples but this kind of sums up Lamar this year in a bubble: Progression is deep routes to checkdowns. Lamar fixates on the deep routes and ignores both wide open check down options (including a guy literally right in front of him), doesn't run, and takes a sack. We have issues everywhere on this team, from the front office to scheme to personnel but Lamar is also a part of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yeah his supporting cast has been garbage but he's also been not good. I posted somewhere in another thread but his accuracy stats this year (which are independent of supporting cast) are the lowest he's had since his rookie year. Yes, the front office completely failed him this year with how they mismanaged the WR position, but Lamar himself hasn't helped. I hate one-play samples but this kind of sums up Lamar this year in a bubble: Progression is deep routes to checkdowns. Lamar fixates on the deep routes and ignores both wide open check down options (including a guy literally right in front of him), doesn't run, and takes a sack. We have issues everywhere on this team, from the front office to scheme to personnel but Lamar is also a part of that. Browns 4D chess move to ruin Lamar Jackson: 1. Draft Baker Mayfield #1 overall 2. Trade 3 1sts Rounders and guarantee Watson $250 million 3. Watch Lamar turn down an epic contract for a boatload of money because it's not Watson money 4. Watch Lamar have a down season, get dinged, and set himself up for a showdown with the Ravens front office about his value going into a tag or mega deal off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 19 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Browns 4D chess move to ruin Lamar Jackson: 1. Draft Baker Mayfield #1 overall 2. Trade 3 1sts Rounders and guarantee Watson $250 million 3. Watch Lamar turn down an epic contract for a boatload of money because it's not Watson money 4. Watch Lamar have a down season, get dinged, and set himself up for a showdown with the Ravens front office about his value going into a tag or mega deal off-season. This is assuming somebody over in Cleveland knows what they’re doing. That’s a tall assumption. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 34 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yeah his supporting cast has been garbage but he's also been not good. I posted somewhere in another thread but his accuracy stats this year (which are independent of supporting cast) are the lowest he's had since his rookie year. Accuracy stats are not independent of supporting cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 Just now, Yin-Yang said: Accuracy stats are not independent of supporting cast. How so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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