Neutral Field: Who wins? Cowboys or Bills

[mdonnelly21]

Neutral Field: Who wins? Cowboys or Bills 

[Towerbridge]

Cowboys.

Better offense and that defense is ferocious 

[JohnChimpo]

This would be a fun SB matchup. A chance for the Bills to get revenge for the 90s, and the Diggs bros pitted against each other.

 

If Josh Allen brings his A game, the Bills would probably win, but if he gets reckless, the Cowboys could easily win.

[The BILLievers]

21 hours ago, Towerbridge said:

Cowboys.

Better offense and that defense is ferocious 

Yards per game: Bills 2nd, 11th

Points per game: Tied

Josh Allen > Dak

[Dr A W Niloc]

Buffalo is slightly better but Dallas wins because their offense is more balanced.

[bigbadbuff]

3 hours ago, Dr A W Niloc said:

Buffalo is slightly better but Dallas wins because their offense is more balanced.

In what way? 

[NoFlyZone]

10 hours ago, The BILLievers said:

Yards per game: Bills 2nd, 11th

Points per game: Tied

Josh Allen > Dak

Perhaps take into account that the Cowboys were missing their starting QB for a big chunk of the season to start. They were ranked somewhere around 27th-29th for points per game with Cooper Rush. They have been #1 in the league since Dak came back. Looking at the total season stat is silly. Offense goes to Dallas right now.

Since Dak's return the Cowboys average 37 points per game. The Bills average 26. It's not especially close. They allow less points on defense, too.

The fun thing about bringing up Allen vs Dak is the fact that Josh really has only been marginally better than Dak since Dak's return, and that's simply based on what Allen adds as a runner whereas Dak doesn't really play that way. Dak has actually scored more, turned the ball over less, and overall elevated his near to bottom ranked offense to the top scoring unit in the league... but Allen does add production in the run game. The thing is, the difference isn't notable enough to really be a big thing when contrasting these teams.

You could say Allen is a better QB than Kirk Cousins, but that didn't swing the game in his favor during that matchup with one of the NFC's best. Dallas is even better. Don't really understand why voters are choosing the Bills in the poll at this time when Dallas has pretty clearly looked better.

Edited December 7, 2022 by NoFlyZone

[The BILLievers]

9 hours ago, NoFlyZone said:

Perhaps take into account that the Cowboys were missing their starting QB for a big chunk of the season to start. They were ranked somewhere around 27th-29th for points per game with Cooper Rush. They have been #1 in the league since Dak came back. Looking at the total season stat is silly. Offense goes to Dallas right now.

Since Dak's return the Cowboys average 37 points per game. The Bills average 26. It's not especially close. They allow less points on defense, too.

The fun thing about bringing up Allen vs Dak is the fact that Josh really has only been marginally better than Dak since Dak's return, and that's simply based on what Allen adds as a runner whereas Dak doesn't really play that way. Dak has actually scored more, turned the ball over less, and overall elevated his near to bottom ranked offense to the top scoring unit in the league... but Allen does add production in the run game. The thing is, the difference isn't notable enough to really be a big thing when contrasting these teams.

You could say Allen is a better QB than Kirk Cousins, but that didn't swing the game in his favor during that matchup with one of the NFC's best. Dallas is even better. Don't really understand why voters are choosing the Bills in the poll at this time when Dallas has pretty clearly looked better.

Lol you take the Cowboys offense. I think the majority of football fans would choose the Bills offense vs the Cowboys offense, especially in the playoffs where Dak is not good.

And that Vikings argument is so flawed and dumb lmao - Bills lose to Vikings, and Cowboys are better than the Vikings therefore Cowboys > Bills. That's like me saying, well Dallas lost to the Packers and the Bills are way better than the Packers and beat them, therefore Bills > Cowboys. 

Anyway, regarding the Dak vs Allen comparisons, which isn't a comparison:

• Dak Prescott per game splits:
  • 233 total yards per game
  • 2 total TDs per game
  • 1 INT per game
• Josh Allen per game splits:
  • 331 total yards per game
  • 2.5 total TDs per game
  • .9 INT per game

Edited December 7, 2022 by The BILLievers

[NoFlyZone]

3 hours ago, The BILLievers said:

Lol you take the Cowboys offense. I think the majority of football fans would choose the Bills offense vs the Cowboys offense, especially in the playoffs where Dak is not good.

And that Vikings argument is so flawed and dumb lmao - Bills lose to Vikings, and Cowboys are better than the Vikings therefore Cowboys > Bills. That's like me saying, well Dallas lost to the Packers and the Bills are way better than the Packers and beat them, therefore Bills > Cowboys. 

Anyway, regarding the Dak vs Allen comparisons, which isn't a comparison:

• Dak Prescott per game splits:
  • 233 total yards per game
  • 2 total TDs per game
  • 1 INT per game
• Josh Allen per game splits:
  • 331 total yards per game
  • 2.5 total TDs per game
  • .9 INT per game

 

3 hours ago, The BILLievers said:

Lol you take the Cowboys offense. I think the majority of football fans would choose the Bills offense vs the Cowboys offense, especially in the playoffs where Dak is not good.

And that Vikings argument is so flawed and dumb lmao - Bills lose to Vikings, and Cowboys are better than the Vikings therefore Cowboys > Bills. That's like me saying, well Dallas lost to the Packers and the Bills are way better than the Packers and beat them, therefore Bills > Cowboys. 

Anyway, regarding the Dak vs Allen comparisons, which isn't a comparison:

• Dak Prescott per game splits:
  • 233 total yards per game
  • 2 total TDs per game
  • 1 INT per game
• Josh Allen per game splits:
  • 331 total yards per game
  • 2.5 total TDs per game
  • .9 INT per game

If all you’re going to do is say ‘lol believe whatever u want bro’ and ignore everything I actually said I’m not sure I’m going to waste time with a reply… especially when you somehow managed to miss the extremely obvious point about the Vikings. Pot meet kettle on the “dumb” accusation — go back and read. I didn’t say Dallas is better because they blew the Vikings out whereas the Bills lost to the Vikings. Seriously, you made that entire scenario up yourself without me saying a word about it. I was only highlighting why your logic of ‘Bills have better QB therefore they’re better and would win’ was flawed… given that didn’t help them vs Minnesota. Or even against the Jets for that matter. Especially not when you consider Allen hasn’t even been playing consistently much better since Dak’s return to action aside from adding production with his legs… which Dallas frankly doesn’t need Dak to do.

Your whole point seems to be ‘wE hAvE jOsH aLeN’… which is pretty weak when you consider the Bills have been perfectly capable of losing to teams with worse QBs… and then you’re going to diminish a Dak led Cowboys offense that has literally been ranked #1 in the league since his return as if having Allen over Dak is some huge advantage when clearly Dak has a massive affect on his offense being at worst one of the best in the league. There is no substance to what you’re saying.

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by NoFlyZone

[Dr A W Niloc]

14 hours ago, bigbadbuff said:

In what way? 

       In almost every sense, but primarily the broader distribution of talent.  Dallas is equal or better at 4 of 5 positions on the O-Line.  That could soon be 5 of 5 if Tyron Smith returns from IR at 100%..

       While Dak Prescott (PFF:17th, FPPG:15th, having dealt with an injury) and CeeDee Lamb (PFF:6th, FPPG:12th) are hardly chopped liver, they can't compete with Josh Allen (PFF:2nd, FPPG:1st) and Stefon Diggs (PFF:2nd, FPPG:2nd).  As we may see this weekend, teams that throttle the Allen-Diggs battery can scare the Bills.  

       On the ground, Buffalo's RBs, Kevin Singletary (PFF:25th, FPPG:29th) and James Cook (conditionally 13th, FPPG:60th), don't come close to Tony Pollard (PFF:4th, FPPG:7th) and Zeke Elliott (PFF:20th, FPPG:15th).  

       That leaves Tight Ends:  Dawson Knox (PFF:29th, FPPG:26th) versus Dalton Schultz (PFF:24th, FPPG:14th).

       Is it worth mentioning that in the last five games, with Dak fully healthy, the Cowboys have outscored the Bills 199-130?

[bigbadbuff]

14 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said:

       In almost every sense, but primarily the broader distribution of talent.  Dallas is equal or better at 4 of 5 positions on the O-Line.  That could soon be 5 of 5 if Tyron Smith returns from IR at 100%..

       While Dak Prescott (PFF:17th, FPPG:15th, having dealt with an injury) and CeeDee Lamb (PFF:6th, FPPG:12th) are hardly chopped liver, they can't compete with Josh Allen (PFF:2nd, FPPG:1st) and Stefon Diggs (PFF:2nd, FPPG:2nd).  As we may see this weekend, teams that throttle the Allen-Diggs battery can scare the Bills.  

       On the ground, Buffalo's RBs, Kevin Singletary (PFF:25th, FPPG:29th) and James Cook (conditionally 13th, FPPG:60th), don't come close to Tony Pollard (PFF:4th, FPPG:7th) and Zeke Elliott (PFF:20th, FPPG:15th).  

       That leaves Tight Ends:  Dawson Knox (PFF:29th, FPPG:26th) versus Dalton Schultz (PFF:24th, FPPG:14th).

       Is it worth mentioning that in the last five games, with Dak fully healthy, the Cowboys have outscored the Bills 199-130?

The cowboys average 9 more rush yards per game lol. The Bills average 60 more pass yards per game.

They have identical points per game.

 

So you’re very wrong in saying more balanced. 

[Dr A W Niloc]

23 minutes ago, bigbadbuff said:

They have identical points per game.

Surely you're not counting games in which Dak was injured.

[NoFlyZone]

31 minutes ago, bigbadbuff said:

The cowboys average 9 more rush yards per game lol. The Bills average 60 more pass yards per game.

They have identical points per game.

 

So you’re very wrong in saying more balanced. 

You’re using a total season stat while not accounting for the fact that stat is misleading due to Dallas not having Dak for a notable stretch of games. The offense was ranked somewhere around 27th or so with Cooper Rush at QB… they have been #1 over the stretch of games since Dak’s return. Rush at QB hurt the seasonal ranking, which isn’t actually indicative of how they’re playing with Dak.

[The BILLievers]

1 hour ago, NoFlyZone said:

 

If all you’re going to do is say ‘lol believe whatever u want bro’ and ignore everything I actually said I’m not sure I’m going to waste time with a reply… especially when you somehow managed to miss the extremely obvious point about the Vikings. Pot meet kettle on the “dumb” accusation — go back and read. I didn’t say Dallas is better because they blew the Vikings out whereas the Bills lost to the Vikings. Seriously, you made that entire scenario up yourself without me saying a word about it. I was only highlighting why your logic of ‘Bills have better QB therefore they’re better and would win’ was flawed… given that didn’t help them vs Minnesota. Or even against the Jets for that matter. Especially not when you consider Allen hasn’t even been playing consistently much better since Dak’s return to action aside from adding production with his legs… which Dallas frankly doesn’t need Dak to do.

Your whole point seems to be ‘wE hAvE jOsH aLeN’… which is pretty weak when you consider the Bills have been perfectly capable of losing to teams with worse QBs… and then you’re going to diminish a Dak led Cowboys offense that has literally been ranked #1 in the league since his return as if having Allen over Dak is some huge advantage when clearly Dak has a massive affect on his offense being at worst one of the best in the league. There is no substance to what you’re saying.

 

I mean lets just make a poll - who has a better offense: Buffalo or Dallas and lets see what the majority think (even though this poll is pretty much doing that). If this is just a neutral field, regular season type game then of course the Cowboys could easily win it. 

But I'm taking this as a playoff/super bowl game (what I think the poster meant) and that's when the QB position matters and it's proven. Cool we lost to Kirk Cousins and the Jets in week 9 and 10 in the regular season when Allen had a sprained UCL. Allen is a much better QB than Dak and typically the teams that make the conference championship / win the SB have elite level, top 5 QB guys. 

2021: Mahomes, Burrow, Stafford, Jimmy G (Stafford wins SB)

2020: Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Brady (Brady wins SB)

2019: Mahomes, Rodgers, Tannehill, Jimmy G (Mahomes wins SB)

Dak has been called a Kirk Cousins twin which I agree with. If this was a regular season game then yes who knows, but if these two teams are playing right now in a hypothetical super bowl match up then the Bills are favored by 4-5 points. Dak is 1-3 in the playoffs and hasn't won a playoff game since 2018 season. 

Also, I never said the Cowboys couldn't win. My point was regarding the offenses.

[The BILLievers]

1 hour ago, Dr A W Niloc said:

       In almost every sense, but primarily the broader distribution of talent.  Dallas is equal or better at 4 of 5 positions on the O-Line.  That could soon be 5 of 5 if Tyron Smith returns from IR at 100%..

       While Dak Prescott (PFF:17th, FPPG:15th, having dealt with an injury) and CeeDee Lamb (PFF:6th, FPPG:12th) are hardly chopped liver, they can't compete with Josh Allen (PFF:2nd, FPPG:1st) and Stefon Diggs (PFF:2nd, FPPG:2nd).  As we may see this weekend, teams that throttle the Allen-Diggs battery can scare the Bills.  

       On the ground, Buffalo's RBs, Kevin Singletary (PFF:25th, FPPG:29th) and James Cook (conditionally 13th, FPPG:60th), don't come close to Tony Pollard (PFF:4th, FPPG:7th) and Zeke Elliott (PFF:20th, FPPG:15th).  

       That leaves Tight Ends:  Dawson Knox (PFF:29th, FPPG:26th) versus Dalton Schultz (PFF:24th, FPPG:14th).

       Is it worth mentioning that in the last five games, with Dak fully healthy, the Cowboys have outscored the Bills 199-130?

And that right there is the point I'm trying to make above. Also fwiw, Allen is also dealing with an injury to his throwing elbow.

It's almost like your final grade when you were in college:

• 50% of your final grade is your final test
• 25% is participation/attendance
• 25% is homework

The QB position is weighted differently than every other position. The Cowboys have better RBs, OL and TE but your team success centers around the QB and usually when games matter, that's what shows.