coachbuns Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Old Guy said: But also give them some credit because they also made their own breaks. As they say in the business world though, "it's not a sustainable model!" Ask Bankman. Nope .. no credit. They've been lucky as hell in a minimum 4 games where they were beat and presto .. they end up winning. Their offense is good but when the Colts are up 33 points and lose there's luck involved. Bankman sucks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Football really isn't as complicated as you're making it out to be. You absolutely can watch the games every week and get a feel for the capability of a given team. I think anyone who's not wearing purple and gold glasses can watch the Vikings every week and tell you that it's a .500 team that's caught some repeated breaks. No fans watch enough of EVERY team to develop a ranking system superior to DVOA using the eye test. Capability of a given team is so context dependent as well. Matchups are critical and often overlooked. This is why normalizing data is critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 20 hours ago, SkolMasterMN said: That's fine if you do that, however I will form an opinion based off of wins, as the super bowl is determined by wins and not DVOA. The superbowl is determined by winning, but DVOA better predicts future wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, incognito_man said: No fans watch enough of EVERY team to develop a ranking system superior to DVOA using the eye test. Capability of a given team is so context dependent as well. Matchups are critical and often overlooked. This is why normalizing data is critical. Your statement mentioned nothing about ranking 32 teams on an accurate scale. It said a fan can't use the eye test to determine how good a team is. I don't disagree with anything you said above, analytics are great for this reason. I can use my eyes to determine a strong hypothesis on how this Sunday's game will go based on what I've seen this season from the Packers and Vikings however. You can use the data to support it. Think we can both agree the eye test, DVOA, ANY/A or any other analytics support the Vikings are an average team with a great record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Packerraymond said: Your statement mentioned nothing about ranking 32 teams on an accurate scale. It said a fan can't use the eye test to determine how good a team is. Yes, that's the same thing. "Good" is a relative term. Good compared to what? Other teams... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 17 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: Championships aren't as important as having a high DVOA though!!!! Fortunately MN can take solace in their numerous NFL titles. Oh wait..... DVOA is all you got. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mr Bad Example said: Fortunately MN can take solace in their numerous NFL titles. Oh wait..... DVOA is all you got. If they make the Super Bowl and lose, they would take sole ownership of most Super Bowl appearances without a win...so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Striker said: If they make the Super Bowl and lose, they would take sole ownership of most Super Bowl appearances without a win...so there's that. If they lost to the Bills, that would be the comic tragedy we’ve all been praying for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 4 hours ago, incognito_man said: It's even worse. The eye test is even worse then using record. No fan watches enough nor has any idea of how to watch to determine how good a team actually is. Plus, most of us are at the mercy of video production that emphasizes the emotional drama of close up facial expressions over enough all-22 angles to show routes and defenses. To be fair, this approach does allow us to monitor Rodgers Annoyance Levels, a key input to those judging teams with their own eyes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Packers elevate K Ahmed and RB Goodson from the p squad. Slow grinder of a game confirmed. I have no idea if we can win this one but a great way to do it would be run, run then run some more and pants these guys out on the cold grass, where real football is played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Refugee said: Packers elevate K Ahmed and RB Goodson from the p squad. Slow grinder of a game confirmed. I have no idea if we can win this one but a great way to do it would be run, run then run some more and pants these guys out on the cold grass, where real football is played. Probably means Watson unlikely to play. Jones usage more a as WR/ pass catcher and Dillon run option A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Refugee said: If they lost to the Bills, that would be the comic tragedy we’ve all been praying for. IF this happens they must start giving the Super Bowl loser a trophy and call it the Bud Grant Trophy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Probably means Watson unlikely to play. Jones usage more a as WR/ pass catcher and Dillon run option A Jones has been nicked up, as well. He’ll definitely play but hope to keep him clean and catching passes helps with that a bit. Goodson might have some wiggle and be able to help on returns in an emergency for us. I actually liked him out of camp but PT gets the nod as a pass protector which is valuable when it comes down to gotta have it 3rd downs. Extra kicker I’m assuming is for kickoffs in the cold to limit returns from Min. Nothing would make me happier than having multiple backs catching fire and the Oline showing up like we’ve been hoping for. I should be nursing a nice hangover so getting the Bloody Mary provisions stocked now for tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, squire12 said: Probably means Watson unlikely to play. Jones usage more a as WR/ pass catcher and Dillon run option A We elevate a K and a RB and your translation is our WR is unlikely to play. Either you have deeper insight that I do, or Jones is banged up and so is Crosby. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rthom348 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 23 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: Championships aren't as important as having a high DVOA though!!!! (I'm literally cringing at that talking point) But I'm not here to start anything. I'm just...wow. Who’s your favorite AFC team? I assume you have one since you’re talking about championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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