RSkinGM Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Just now, turtle28 said: As a Washington fan we all know that us winning the games we’re supposed to win is an accomplishment. Last time I checked Wentz got spanked by the Lions in a game we really wish we had right now. it's the Tenn game sticks in my head . Easily winnable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, RSkinGM said: Another point, not sure if it's been mentioned, but apparently Taylor is pretty beat up/ -- to the point, he may not even be the backup. Sam Howell could be #2 this week . Only 6 Qbs have started all of their teams games this year. WOW! It’s almost like Thursday night games & a 17-game schedule isn’t good for players health or something… 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 13 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: it's the Tenn game sticks in my head . Easily winnable. Tenn & Det should’ve been W’s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Land Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, turtle28 said: As a Washington fan we all know that us winning the games we’re supposed to win is an accomplishment. Last time I checked Wentz got spanked by the Lions in a game we really wish we had right now. I think the D would’ve been better the first 6 weeks if we had been more consistent running the ball. For ex. our D played pretty well vs Dallas & especially the Bears bc we ran the ball well in those games. Theres a direct correlation between our D plying well the last 3 years when we have a more ball controlled offense whether that’s running the ball successfully or completing a slot of 5 to 10 yard passes to our RBs & TEs like in 2020 w/ Alex. Last time I checked, Jared Goff threw for 4 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and they ran for 191 yards. That's on Carson though you're absolutely right. There's a direct correlation between any defense in the NFL playing well when they're not on the field? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Scott Land said: Last time I checked, Jared Goff threw for 4 touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and they ran for 191 yards. That's on Carson though you're absolutely right. There's a direct correlation between any defense in the NFL playing well when they're not on the field? Given we couldn’t move the ball on offense vs a bad Lions D in the 1st quarter the Lions had the ball for 11 of the 15 minutes. In the 2nd quarter our offense only held the ball for 6 of the 15 minutes. Our O was so inept with Wentz in the 1st half vs the Lions that our D was on the field for 20 of the first half’s 30 minutes. Carson fumbled in the end zone so those 2-points weren’t even on the D. Has Heinicke started off a game down 22-0 this season after the first half? Bc I don’t remember it… Edited December 28, 2022 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Land Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 minute ago, turtle28 said: Given we couldn’t move the ball on offense vs a bad Lions D in the 1st quarter the Lions had the ball for 11 of the 15 minutes. In the 2nd quarter our offense only held the ball for 6 of the 15 minutes. Our O was so inept with Wentz in the 1st half vs the Lions that our D was on the field for 20 of the first half’s 30 minutes. Carson fumbled in the end zone so those 2-points weren’t even on the D. Taylor fumbled against the giants and lead to 7 points that's more than 2, and we could've kicked a field goal to win then. If you want to go by that. And don't say anything about that being on Carson and that it's the oline's fault for Taylor's because they were identical. The offense also put up 27 points in the 2nd half alone, and the defense couldn't stop Jared Goff, Amon Ra, and Deandre Swift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 @Scott Land its not worth it man. They fancy Taylor Heinicke. Its a personal preference thing. I've seen every poster who is crowning Heinicke complain about both QBs when they play poorly. Its not like they aren't reasonable when the games are on. Some people wanted Rex Grossman, some wanted John Beck. They both sucked. It's the same thing here IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 16 hours ago, turtle28 said: It’s almost like Thursday night games & a 17-game schedule isn’t good for players health or something… 🤔 HA! You think ? Assumimg that is sarcasm . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 19 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: @Scott Land its not worth it man. They fancy Taylor Heinicke. Its a personal preference thing. I've seen every poster who is crowning Heinicke complain about both QBs when they play poorly. Its not like they aren't reasonable when the games are on. Some people wanted Rex Grossman, some wanted John Beck. They both sucked. It's the same thing here IMO. The difference is that when Heinicke sucks he doesn't cost $28 mil against our cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 Just now, MKnight82 said: The difference is that when Heinicke sucks he doesn't cost $28 mil against our cap. What does that matter right now? Are you paying him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 6 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: What does that matter right now? Are you paying him? I don't care how much money he makes, he could make $50 mil for all I care. I care about the amount of cap space he takes up cause it impacts the rest of the talent we can have on the roster. If you're going to count $28 mil against the cap you have to be an excellent player. Carson Wentz is not an excellent player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: I don't care how much money he makes, he could make $50 mil for all I care. I care about the amount of cap space he takes up cause it impacts the rest of the talent we can have on the roster. If you're going to count $28 mil against the cap you have to be an excellent player. Carson Wentz is not an excellent player. They made that decision when they traded for him. Taylor getting benched and Wentz going in has nothing to do with salary. Unless Wentz shows out the last two weeks and in the playoffs, he shouldn't be on the roster next year, but that doesn't matter right now. I dont care how much each player makes, i just want the team to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Slappy Mc said: They made that decision when they traded for him. Taylor getting benched and Wentz going in has nothing to do with salary. Unless Wentz shows out the last two weeks and in the playoffs, he shouldn't be on the roster next year, but that doesn't matter right now. I dont care how much each player makes, i just want the team to succeed. I was for the trade, and still think that the trade was worth a shot. But I saw nothing from Wentz earlier in the season to give me any confidence in him. I have no interest in continuing on with him next season and believe his cap amount could be better spent elsewhere. I also believe we are in a position to maybe make the playoffs because of Heinicke and I’m of the mind that we should reward the player that got us here. Additionally, I have no attachment to Wentz whatsoever, we didn’t draft him and I don’t really consider him a Washington player. Heinicke on the otherhand we basically gave him his career making him easy to root for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 (edited) 19 hours ago, Slappy Mc said: @Scott Land its not worth it man. They fancy Taylor Heinicke. Its a personal preference thing. I've seen every poster who is crowning Heinicke complain about both QBs when they play poorly. Its not like they aren't reasonable when the games are on. Some people wanted Rex Grossman, some wanted John Beck. They both sucked. It's the same thing here IMO. It has nothing to do with fancying Heinicke. Do you think I'd want Taylor playing if Wentz had got us to this position we're in? Absolutely not. I also won't pretend like I didn't watch Wentz play for the first six weeks of the season either. He wasn't good enough and fans can throw all the other crap out they want about how it wasn't his fault. He's being paid $28M because he's supposed to be a QB that can overcome those obstacles. There shouldn't be 50 million excuses for why he played poorly and why his play regressed over his last 4 starts. He gets another shot here to prove those of us that want him on the bench wrong and I hope he does it because that's better for us as fans. The idea that a $28M QB and a $2M QBs stats are so close that you're splitting hairs defending each one against the other speaks volumes to what Wentz has become. That is just me though. Edited December 29, 2022 by lavar703 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappy Mc Posted December 29, 2022 Share Posted December 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, lavar703 said: It has nothing to do with fancying Heinicke. Do you think I'd want Taylor playing if Wentz had got us to this position we're in? Absolutely not. I also won't pretend like I didn't watch Wentz play for the first six weeks of the season either. He wasn't good enough and fans can throw all the other crap out they want about how it wasn't his fault. He's being paid $28M because he's supposed to be a QB that can overcome those obstacles. There shouldn't be 50 million excuses for why he played poorly and why his play regressed over his last 4 starts. He gets another shot here to prove those of us that want him on the bench wrong and I hope he does it because that's better for us as fans. I already touched on this earlier either in this thread or a different one, they all kind of blend. I absolutely think the same people crying foul now would have rationalized benching Wentz if it was the other way around. All anyone has done is prove that Heinicke did not play the QB position better than Wentz did and still credit him for "getting us to this position". It's absolutely insane to me to think that with EVERYONE around him playing significantly better than when he was the starter, that everyone expects him to be worse than Heinicke or even worse than his first 6 games. You all got your opinions. Everyone is entitled to that, I just hope that, regardless of if he plays good or bad, people can own up to how ridiculous these discussions are. Also, the salary point is stupid for the rest of this season. Is he overpaid, absolutely. Did we know he would be when they traded for him? Absolutely. I am more happy that the change happened when Carson could not reach the snaps threshold to push us into giving up our 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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