AKRNA Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Broncofan said: The Evero idea is a great one - but there’s never been a 1-year HC hire in over 2 decades. Penner & Paton made it pretty clear Rosburg is just a place-holder. Remember they offered the interim job to Evero first. Well, I'm not quite ready to give up the "most disagreed with poster" title quite yet. You'd probably have to beg Rosburg to do it anyway. He's 67, very knowledgeable, and in a perfect spot to help get us through the next year or two. We've got a Catch-22 here. Any qualified HC candidate outside the organization who would agree to take over this mess is obviously insane, therefore disqualifying him from consideration Edited December 28, 2022 by AKRNA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
germ-x Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) I don’t think Wilson is washed. I also don’t think he’s a potential offensive player of the year candidate, either. He’s a system QB. It comes down to Wilson setting aside his ego and an HC that can keep him in check, regardless of if he sets his ego aside or not. Edited December 28, 2022 by germ-x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, AKRNA said: Well, I'm not quite ready to give up the "most disagreed with poster" title quite yet. You'd probably have to beg Rosburg to do it anyway. He's 67, very knowledgeable, and in a perfect spot to help get us through the next year or two. We've got a Catch-22 here. Any qualified HC candidate outside the organization who would agree to take over this mess is obviously insane, therefore disqualifying him from consideration This isn’t like Baylor post-Briles having some sacrificial lamb out there, that stuff might fly in the late offseason if some Gruden type scandal came out but just move the damn team if you’re going to throw in the towel for 2 years because sure as hell won’t be anyone at the games. Money talks and so does control, coaches are egotistical and think they can fix anything it will not be that hard to find a HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, broncosfan07 said: This isn’t like Baylor post-Briles having some sacrificial lamb out there, that stuff might fly in the late offseason if some Gruden type scandal came out but just move the damn team if you’re going to throw in the towel for 2 years because sure as hell won’t be anyone at the games. Money talks and so does control, coaches are egotistical and think they can fix anything it will not be that hard to find a HC. Who said anything about throwing in the towel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, AKRNA said: Who said anything about throwing in the towel? You hire a former special teams coach who was retired for 3 years and name him a coach for a full season? Why not just keep Hackett and embrace the suck for another year if you want the same result in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKRNA Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, broncosfan07 said: You hire a former special teams coach who was retired for 3 years and name him a coach for a full season? Why not just keep Hackett and embrace the suck for another year if you want the same result in 2024. The assumption you're making that he's not capable because he retired is pretty extreme. I retired 12 tears ago and still work when I want as a consultant and make a bundle. There's nothing uncommon about that at all. You just work on your terms, and timetable, not someone else's. He's probably more likely to turn it down than a young guy with far fewer qualifications because he doesn't need the job. Sorry, but that's a bizarre post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolly red giant Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Here is the problem with the rookie HC prospect - especially one reporting to Penner who knows nothing about football. Wilson is your QB and Wilson has his 'team' and your rookie HC has to handle this. Hackett couldn't do it and I think you are far better off getting a HC who has had experience and is able to put his foot down over Wilson's antics. As long as Penner and Paton are comitted to keeping Wilson you have a problem for a rookie HC - because by all accounts Wilson will try and run roughshod over your rookie. The first priority for any HC candidate is not 'can you fix Wilson?' - but should be - 'can you deal with and sort out this utter sh*tshow that comes with Wilson on the roster and how are you going to put your foot down and force him to do what is necessary?' - otherwise you are setting your new HC up for failure. You need a strong personality - Payton would do it - Harbaugh would do it - I think Dan Quinn would do it - I don't think Reich would be able to do it and that is why I would rule him out - and I don't think a rookie could handle it which is why I don't want another rookie HC. The alternative is to cut bait with Wilson - eat the $107m dead cap money - tank the season (which will happen anyway) - hope your good players like PS2 and Jeudy won't walk when their rookie contracts are up, and then go on a rebuild. The problem with this is that you have to make sure you hit on the right rookie HC and commit to them for 5 years - otherwise the team will be set back another decade. If you are keeping Wilson for at least another season then you need a very strong character (and not a tinpot dictator like Flores or any other BB clone). I can't see a rookie HC being able to deal with the combination of a primadonna QB and a CEO who doesn't know anything about football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 8 hours ago, AKRNA said: The assumption you're making that he's not capable because he retired is pretty extreme. I retired 12 tears ago and still work when I want as a consultant and make a bundle. There's nothing uncommon about that at all. You just work on your terms, and timetable, not someone else's. He's probably more likely to turn it down than a young guy with far fewer qualifications because he doesn't need the job. Sorry, but that's a bizarre post. He’s not capable because he’s not qualified. The age factor is a stupid comparison, there is a difference between advising and taking on the brunt and weight of being a HC. You bring some great ideas to the table however naming an interim coach who was dragged out of retirement to simply advise for a full season or two is what’s bizarre. You somehow think that is going to fly with new owners who did not spend billions of dollars to throw in the towel for 2 years and a fan base that has endured 6 straight losing seasons? Sorry but that is stupid, naming him interim is perfectly fine but the team is going to get destroyed the next 2 weeks how is that going to instill any confidence to give him a full season? Wilson’s albatross contract is the only problem and while the team does not have an easy out from that it will not be the issue that it’s made out to be. You pitch a HC by not tying him to the hip with Wilson. The situation is not dire as the idiots in the Denver media like to pretend, but it does take commitment to a HC and accepting that Wilson isn’t likely to recover his game and move on from him at the earliest time possible. Will it mean losing? Yes but it at least shows that you’re serious about rebuilding the right way without capitulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 hours ago, germ-x said: I don’t think Wilson is washed. I also don’t think he’s a potential offensive player of the year candidate, either. He’s a system QB. It comes down to Wilson setting aside his ego and an HC that can keep him in check, regardless of if he sets his ego aside or not. Next HC needs full autonomy to bench Wilson and keep him there. Maybe if Washington gets rid of Wentz and Synder is still around we can convince them to trade for Wilson and solve all of our problems… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 I’ve not studied the 2023 draft yet but I do think QB should be in play if there’s a guy that the Broncos brass likes. One way to ease the pain of the Wilson contract is to just let him rot away on the bench while a cheaper option starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosfan07 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 28 minutes ago, paul-mac said: I’ve not studied the 2023 draft yet but I do think QB should be in play if there’s a guy that the Broncos brass likes. One way to ease the pain of the Wilson contract is to just let him rot away on the bench while a cheaper option starts. I think I’d rather try and make a play for Caleb Williams in 24. 23 is a much better class than this past draft but there’s no prospect in this class that truly stands out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomaxgrUK Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 First thing the new HC needs to do is get rid of all the silly perks Russ was given. No office, no parking space, nothing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncofan48 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, broncosfan07 said: I think I’d rather try and make a play for Caleb Williams in 24. 23 is a much better class than this past draft but there’s no prospect in this class that truly stands out. I wouldn't mind the team using a mid round pick on a guy like Richardson if he falls or Rattler. Or a late round one on Hooker as @Broncofan has mentioned or even a flier on Max Duggan Time to embrace the suck and plan for the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, lomaxgrUK said: First thing the new HC needs to do is get rid of all the silly perks Russ was given. No office, no parking space, nothing. And mandate him to share his phone number with the team. You shouldn't have to go through his management if you want to arrange a coffee meeting with him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnAngryAmerican Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 There really seems to be a consensus that the Walmarts want to swing for the fencers with the next hire, land a “Star” Coach like Harbaugh or Payton. While I’m sure they’ll reach out, I’m not sure how receptive they will be. If they don’t land one of the huge names, we can probably say with some certainty they had to settle for someone who wasn’t their preferred choice. I don’t think Payton is at all likely, I would put it below 5% just because he seems to want the Dallas or LAC job and has intent on bringing Vic along and we know that won’t happen. Jim Harbaugh as I’ve said is my top choice but I’m also not sure he’ll want to leave Michigan without a national championship (which could happen this year) or even with one. He’s also likely to want final say but from what it seems final say is going to rest with the Walmarts. I still think it’s going to be Quinn with Schottenheimer as OC, meaning we can look forward to being back here in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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