biggie. Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) Neither are total busts; Carr was a decade long starter with a few ProxBowl appearances and Wentz would have won MVP in 2017 if he didn't get injured. However, neither really took their game to the next level and seemed to progressively regress. Edited December 30, 2022 by biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 It's Wentz... At least in Carr's case, we can say that he was not helped by his defense (the worst in the NFL since 2014). Wentz was a big disappointment in the end with the Eagles, with the Colts and possibly with the Commenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Carr was a 2nd rounder. Wentz was 2nd OVERALL. I'd say Carson. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 The 2nd round guy who started nine consecutive years for the same team vs. the 2nd pick who will be looking at his fourth team in 4 years after the season seems like any easy call. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 2 hours ago, MikeT14 said: Carr was a 2nd rounder. Wentz was 2nd OVERALL. I'd say Carson. 1 hour ago, Bullet Club said: The 2nd round guy who started nine consecutive years for the same team vs. the 2nd pick who will be looking at his fourth team in 4 years after the season seems like any easy call. Yeah, this is super easy. Wentz is definitely a bigger busy. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Spite thread tbh. Easily Wentz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Carr has actually been good for his draft slot. I'm not even sure how he'd be labeled a disappointment. 2nd round QBs from 2000 - 2020: Jalen Hurts Drew Lock DeShone Kizer Christian Hackenburg Derek Carr Jimmy G Geno Smith Brock Osweiler Andy Dalton Colin Kaepernick Jimmy Clausen Pat White Brian Brohm Chad Henne Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton Kellen Clemens Tavaris Jackson Drew Brees Quincy Carter Marques Tuiasosopo Carr is a success in that regard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Forge said: Carr has actually been good for his draft slot. I'm not even sure how he'd be labeled a disappointment. 2nd round QBs from 2000 - 2020: Carr is a success Decided to rank these(not doing Hurts because it's hard to rank him fairly this early) HOFer: - Brees Franchise QBs in their prime: - Carr - Dalton Made it to a Super Bowl once: - Jimmy G - Kaepernick Late bloomer?: - Geno Career backups/bottom 10 starters with a ring as a backup: - Henne - Jackson - Osweiler Career backups/bottom 10 starters without a ring: - Carter - Lock - Kolb - Stanton - Clemens Terrible: - Clausen - Kizer - Beck Barely even saw the field: - Tuiasosopo - Pat White - Bohm Never even saw the field: - Hackenberg So Carr, even if you take Dalton over him, is still a top 3 second round QB since 2000. When Carter/Lock/Kolb is the firm median of what to expect from a 2nd round QB, and Geno Smith, with his one good season this year, has already had a more successful career than around 75% of the other guys here, I'd say that drafting someone like Carr is very far from a disappointment Edited December 30, 2022 by jonnguy2015 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Yeah, easily Wentz. Carr is only a disappointment in that he looked like he was on his way to becoming one of the best QBs in the league and then just was pretty much average after that point on. Wentz isn't even average at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share Posted December 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Forge said: Carr has actually been good for his draft slot. I'm not even sure how he'd be labeled a disappointment. 2nd round QBs from 2000 - 2020: Jalen Hurts Drew Lock DeShone Kizer Christian Hackenburg Derek Carr Jimmy G Geno Smith Brock Osweiler Andy Dalton Colin Kaepernick Jimmy Clausen Pat White Brian Brohm Chad Henne Kevin Kolb John Beck Drew Stanton Kellen Clemens Tavaris Jackson Drew Brees Quincy Carter Marques Tuiasosopo Carr is a success in that regard. Carr has been a "success", but he has really teased Raiders fans after 2015 and 2016. This is what sums up Carr to Raiders fans: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 30, 2022 Share Posted December 30, 2022 Wentz is easily the bigger disappointment. However, for no good reason it still feels like Wentz has a higher ceiling going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 This year alone I would say Carr, but over the course of their careers it's easily Carson Wentz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nagahide13 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Wentz pretty handily up until now. In the future, I don't think he has the potential for a SB. I think David Carr could very well pull a Rich Gannon type situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Wentz is apparently so bad in the locker room that he can't even stay on teams long enough to compete after just 1 season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggie. Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share Posted December 31, 2022 I think maybe a better topic is other nonbust but ultimately disappointing QBs along with Carr and Wentz. Other examples are Palmer and Cutler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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