NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: Yup! Guys talk. we can say cliché stuff like "every teams money is the color green" ultimately players don't wanna go to a bad situation if the other team is not willing to pay top dollar. One thing that's been a little concerning is that typically defensive players love to be reunited with their old DC's but we haven't signed anyone that previously played for Graham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, NYRaider said: One thing that's been a little concerning is that typically defensive players love to be reunited with their old DC's but we haven't signed anyone that previously played for Graham. Well actually @ronjon1990 cited during this past season other defense actually got better after he left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, ronjon1990 said: Defense? Who needs defense when you can score 45+ a game? Patrick Graham is gonna be a happily employed man if we keep signing skill position guys! The stupid thing is next year when were the worst defense in the NFL again, the experience that the staff front office and beat writers(and I'm sure some people on here) are going to make excuses for Patrick Graham next year saying that he didn't have enough talent on defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: Sean Murphy-Bunting got 1 yr/$5M and CGJ got 1 yr/$8M How were we not on either of these dudes? Why pay Epps 2y, 12M when we could have paid CGJ something close to 1yr, 8M? I think the Epps deal will be an overpay, but what’s worse then overpaying for a limited player is that it means we’re not spending that money on a better player. If your signing guys like Epps for 1yr it’s way better then locking into these type of guys for a 2nd year where there cap hit jumps rather significantly. Id much rather prefer to “rebuild” this year and have the cap space next year to find a higher level of player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: The stupid thing is next year when were the worst defense in the NFL again, the experience that the staff front office and beat writers(and I'm sure some people on here) are going to make excuses for Patrick Graham next year saying that he didn't have enough talent on defense. To be fair though unless we go defense heavy in the draft and have a historically good class, he really isn't going to have a ton of talent to work with. But we're already through one offseason and a good portion of FA in their second offseason and they really haven't shown much interest in building the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, jimkelly02 said: Why pay Epps 2y, 12M when we could have paid CGJ something close to 1yr, 8M? I think the Epps deal will be an overpay, but what’s worse then overpaying for a limited player is that it means we’re not spending that money on a better player. If your signing guys like Epps for 1yr it’s way better then locking into these type of guys for a 2nd year where there cap hit jumps rather significantly. Id much rather prefer to “rebuild” this year and have the cap space next year to find a higher level of player. Agreed. I'm not sure that there was a huge market for Epps either, we could've waited on him but made him a priority for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Spillane and Epps are the type of guys I thought we'd pursue in the second wave of free agency. But with as bad as our defense is, it's just weird to see those two as priorities and then basically not much after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, NYRaider said: To be fair though unless we go defense heavy in the draft and have a historically good class, he really isn't going to have a ton of talent to work with. But we're already through one offseason and a good portion of FA in their second offseason and they really haven't shown much interest in building the defense. We got rid of a quarterback and got a quarterback that's cheaper by 16 mil then we traded the tight end & cleared 17 mil. They had plenty of cap space to work with. Between those two moves alone that's over 30 million increase in the salary cap. You don't get to not use the money on anything but an average safety or resign anyone and then say there's no talent on defense. Edited March 21, 2023 by Jeremy408 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, NYRaider said: Agreed. I'm not sure that there was a huge market for Epps either, we could've waited on him but made him a priority for whatever reason. There probably wasn’t a huge market for him and even if there was there’s tons of other options for a player of his caliber. It’s similar albeit cheaper then when we signed Carl Nassib IMO. Both guys are/were never going to improve significantly and are just entry level starters whose production is equal to any of about 20 other FAs that could be had for half the price. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: We got rid of a quarterback and got a quarterback that's cheaper by 16 mil then we traded the tight end & cleared 17 mil. They had plenty of cap space to work with. Between those two moves alone that's over 30 million increase in the salary cap. You don't get to not use the money on anything but an average safety or resign anyone and then say there's no talent on defense. They cleared $29M in cap space with Carr, then used $16M of that space on Jimmy G, so they created $13M. And then they cleared $11M by trading Waller but immediately used like $7.5M of that on Meyers so they created $3.5M. So in total they created about $16.5M in cap space in addition to what we already had but just haven't chosen to invest any of it to the defense. If Ziegler / JMD decide not to allocate cap space or draft picks to the defense, Graham can definitely say there's no talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, NYRaider said: They cleared $29M in cap space with Carr, then used $16M of that space on Jimmy G, so they created $13M. And then they cleared $11M by trading Waller but immediately used like $7.5M of that on Meyers so they created $3.5M. So in total they created about $16.5M in cap space in addition to what we already had but just haven't chosen to invest any of it to the defense. If Ziegler / JMD decide not to allocate cap space or draft picks to the defense, Graham can definitely say there's no talent. Yeah but that's their fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: There probably wasn’t a huge market for him and even if there was there’s tons of other options for a player of his caliber. It’s similar albeit cheaper then when we signed Carl Nassib IMO. Both guys are/were never going to improve significantly and are just entry level starters whose production is equal to any of about 20 other FAs that could be had for half the price. I kind of understand the appeal of Epps as an elite run defending safety that'll bring some winning habits into the locker room. But man it just sucks to commit to another safety that's questionable in coverage and has 0 ball skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Jeremy408 said: Yeah but that's their fault. It's obviously their fault but I don't think you can say it's all on Graham's coaching if the defense clearly lacks talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Seems to me this is pointing towards us getting the biggest impact defender we can at #7. Hate to say it because I want a QB, but this seems to be the logical outcome of our off-season strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, NickButera said: Seems to me this is pointing towards us getting the biggest impact defender we can at #7. Hate to say it because I want a QB, but this seems to be the logical outcome of our off-season strategy You'd prefer to take Levis over someone like Christian Gonzalez or Jalen Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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