Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, NYRaider said: It's obviously their fault but I don't think you can say it's all on Graham's coaching if the defense clearly lacks talent. That's exactly the point I'm making. it's a built-in excuse for why the defense doesn't have to improve. Edited March 21, 2023 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, Jeremy408 said: That's exactly the point I'm making. it's a built-in excuse for why the defense doesn't have to improve. I'm not sure if they're looking for a built in-excuse. I'd expect us to go defense heavy in the draft for sure but I also just think that DZ/JMD don't value high priced defensive guys / OL and want our coaches to coach dudes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Right now... Starting LBs are: Divine Deablo, Robert Spillane, Luke Masterson Starting CBs are: Nate Hobbs, Brandon Faycon, Amik Robertson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Just now, NYRaider said: You'd prefer to take Levis over someone like Christian Gonzalez or Jalen Carter? I think anyone can make a case for picking one of the top 4 QBs in the draft over Carter right now. His stock is falling fast and hard, so many red flags have popped up since his incident. As for Gonzalez, yes. But it's just my opinion. Gonzalez is a heck of a prospect, I'd be happy if we drafted him, but I'd choose others over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, NickButera said: I think anyone can make a case for picking one of the top 4 QBs in the draft over Carter right now. His stock is falling fast and hard, so many red flags have popped up since his incident. As for Gonzalez, yes. But it's just my opinion. Gonzalez is a heck of a prospect, I'd be happy if we drafted him, but I'd choose others over him. I don't think we'll be able to land Richardson unless we trade up so the only QB that's realistically going to be there at #7 is Levis, IMO. Other than him bombing his pro-day, what other red flags have come up around Carter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Why pay Epps 2y, 12M when we could have paid CGJ something close to 1yr, 8M? I think the Epps deal will be an overpay, but what’s worse then overpaying for a limited player is that it means we’re not spending that money on a better player. If your signing guys like Epps for 1yr it’s way better then locking into these type of guys for a 2nd year where there cap hit jumps rather significantly. Id much rather prefer to “rebuild” this year and have the cap space next year to find a higher level of player. It's not the Raiders fault that these guys tried to break the bank and waited until money dried up and have to take less now, and there is no way the Raiders could have known they weren't going to break the bank. Seumalo, CGJ, Orlando Brown, Dalton Shultz who turned down 3 year $36mil all got less but were top FA for their position. Edited March 21, 2023 by raidr4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, raidr4life said: It's not the Raiders fault that these guys tried to break the bank waited until money dried up and have to take less now, and there is no way the Raiders could have known they weren't going to break the bank. Seumalo, CGJ It's not the Raiders fault that they didn't target two of the best players at major positions of need in free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NYRaider said: It's not the Raiders fault that they didn't target two of the best players at major positions of need in free agency? If they targeted them early they were trying to break the bank and that's why they ended up on the outside looking in taking less than players below them. Edited March 21, 2023 by raidr4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, NYRaider said: I'm not sure if they're looking for a built in-excuse. I'd expect us to go defense heavy in the draft for sure but I also just think that DZ/JMD don't value high priced defensive guys / OL and want our coaches to coach dudes up. Chandler Jones was high priced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: Chandler Jones was high priced He's the only high priced / high profile defensive player that they've brought in. And they did so after creating a hole at DE by trading Yannick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, raidr4life said: If they targeted them early they were trying to break the bank and that's why they ended up on the outside looking in taking less than players below them. Why not renegotiate offers with good players at positions of need when it's clear their market isn't very strong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: He's the only high priced / high profile defensive player that they've brought in. And they did so after creating a hole at DE by trading Yannick. And it was getting paid 13 chandler Jones is getting paid 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Jeremy408 said: And it was getting paid 13 chandler Jones is getting paid 17 At least we can get out of Chandler's deal next offseason. I'm cautiously optimistic he can have a bounce back season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: At least we can get out of Chandler's deal next offseason. I'm cautiously optimistic he can have a bounce back season. He's 33 years only and got 4.5 sacks in a scheme best fit for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: Well actually @ronjon1990 cited during this past season other defense actually got better after he left But Patrick Graham got that league topping resthpeck, son! Ask @big_palooka. He'll remind you, once he's done explaining how it's unfair to question our Front Office because they 100% weren't part of the McDaniels failed experiment in Denver, and even if they 100% actually were, we should 100% ignore it because they clearly 100% learned something over the last 13 years despite, clearly, 100% not actually doing so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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