Bitty 2.0 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 1/10/2023 at 5:51 AM, Devilshark69 said: So now garoppolo is top tier? Lol. Do me a favor and don’t recopy the stats you already posted. For the record sir, I’m ok with Brady (hoping he stays healthy) but I simply don’t want jimmy g. And that’s not really what my post was about anyway, but thanks for playin. He good for 5-6 games a year. Plus the more injuries he gets the easier it is to get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 20 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Are the Raiders the only team in the NFL that is required to ignore all of their roster issues this offseason? Or are we allowed to draft/sign players? So we’re going to build the elite OL and defense that Jimmy is used to this off-season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 12 minutes ago, Geezy said: So we’re going to build the elite OL and defense that Jimmy is used to this off-season? No, I think we're going to roll with the exact same roster like you've implied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, NYRaider said: No, I think we're going to roll with the exact same roster like you've implied. There you go exaggerating, you ragged on Carr then suggested Jimmy. Jimmy is much more dependent of a supporting cast than Carr. Even then, he can’t stay healthy. No thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Geezy said: There you go exaggerating, you ragged on Carr then suggested Jimmy. Jimmy is much more dependent of a supporting cast than Carr. Even then, he can’t stay healthy. No thanks! Jimmy has at least shown he can live up to expectations and make the most of an elite supporting cast. Carr has crapped the bed in the two years we put top tier talent around him and were expected to be good. (2017/2022) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 52 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Jimmy has at least shown he can live up to expectations and make the most of an elite supporting cast. Carr has crapped the bed in the two years we put top tier talent around him and were expected to be good. (2017/2022) This is a bit of a reach. Since when has this team ever had top 10 talent like SF has had. Carr has never had the chance to perform on a top tier team . Agreed, he has crapped the bed on a bad Raiders team with one or two elite players, it's incomparable to say "well since this QB crapped the bed with a bad team, it's worse then the QB that showed he played OK with the best team in football" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, NickButera said: This is a bit of a reach. Since when has this team ever had top 10 talent like SF has had. Carr has never had the chance to perform on a top tier team . Agreed, he has crapped the bed on a bad Raiders team with one or two elite players, it's incomparable to say "well since this QB crapped the bed with a bad team, it's worse then the QB that showed he played OK with the best team in football" That's the same old Carr debate. I truly think some people who didn't/don't like Carr thought he had everything he could ever need to succeed. Even if he did on offense some years, I don't know how anyone thought he did on defense any year. This will most likely be the same for any QB we get at the very least next year, if not longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, NickButera said: This is a bit of a reach. Since when has this team ever had top 10 talent like SF has had. Carr has never had the chance to perform on a top tier team . Agreed, he has crapped the bed on a bad Raiders team with one or two elite players, it's incomparable to say "well since this QB crapped the bed with a bad team, it's worse then the QB that showed he played OK with the best team in football" Carr had an All-Pro RB and WR1 this season, they were literally one of the most productive duos in NFL history this season. I guess having arguably the best WR and RB isn't enough help for Derek Carr. I'd argue that Jacobs/Adams/Renfrow/Waller would be the most talented supporting cast that Jimmy has ever played with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, true2form said: That's the same old Carr debate. I truly think some people who didn't/don't like Carr thought he had everything he could ever need to succeed. Even if he did on offense some years, I don't know how anyone thought he did on defense any year. This will most likely be the same for any QB we get at the very least next year, if not longer. I do not know if having a good defense would help Carr. It seems counterintuitive but his level of play changes a lot depending on the game scenario. He seems to play best when he is down or they are underdogs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 6 hours ago, true2form said: That's the same old Carr debate. I truly think some people who didn't/don't like Carr thought he had everything he could ever need to succeed. Even if he did on offense some years, I don't know how anyone thought he did on defense any year. This will most likely be the same for any QB we get at the very least next year, if not longer. He had arguably the best RB and WR in the league this year and struggled individually, he was leading the league in interceptions when we benched him and got outplayed by Baker Mayfield and Kenny Pickett in must win games that the defense was lights out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 15 hours ago, NYRaider said: He had arguably the best RB and WR in the league this year and struggled individually, he was leading the league in interceptions when we benched him and got outplayed by Baker Mayfield and Kenny Pickett in must win games that the defense was lights out. Well he was the one getting that RB and WR the ball to get those record setting numbers. He was also top 10ish in Yards and TDs. He did get outplayed and did get benched, but.... I wasn't referring to just this season though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 17 hours ago, drfrey13 said: I do not know if having a good defense would help Carr. It seems counterintuitive but his level of play changes a lot depending on the game scenario. He seems to play best when he is down or they are underdogs. That seems like a logical take. But is it Carr that went completely conservative in 2nd half's or coaching or both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dante9876 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 17 hours ago, drfrey13 said: I do not know if having a good defense would help Carr. It seems counterintuitive but his level of play changes a lot depending on the game scenario. He seems to play best when he is down or they are underdogs. He plays tight in low scoring games. I forget where I saw it, but he has one of the worst winning percentage when the defense allows 20 points or less, since he has been in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, true2form said: That seems like a logical take. But is it Carr that went completely conservative in 2nd half's or coaching or both? He has been like this for more than a year. I can remember having arguments about him just needing to keep applying pressure no matter the score going back to 2017. Now this is not completely on Carr but he has a hard time winning games by more than 10 points. It happens when the defense plays well also. The quote below brings up the point and I hope the stats can be found. 3 hours ago, dante9876 said: He plays tight in low scoring games. I forget where I saw it, but he has one of the worst winning percentage when the defense allows 20 points or less, since he has been in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 7 hours ago, drfrey13 said: He has been like this for more than a year. I can remember having arguments about him just needing to keep applying pressure no matter the score going back to 2017. Now this is not completely on Carr but he has a hard time winning games by more than 10 points. It happens when the defense plays well also. The quote below brings up the point and I hope the stats can be found. That can also be read as, “when he played teams with no offense, but great defense”. It’s like the end of last season. Our offense was a shell of what it was to start the season and had a lot of low scoring games. However, we got very lucky that our defense played against a bunch of backup QBs. There’s always context that gets left out. Easier to just say Carr didn’t score enough and even easier to say he didn’t win. It’s true, but nothing is that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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