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Should Dallas draft a QB high in the draft?

everlong

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14 minutes ago, jrry32 said:

No Rams fan is surprised that the guy we used to call Vanillahan runs a vanilla offense. ;)

Well, you can pass some of that credit to Garrett, too.  There's absolutely no creativity in the passing scheme. We don't use pick-plays, work the seams, work the intermediate middle.  We don't scheme guys open. It's all predicated on "beating your man" and play action pass (great when your running effectively, but when you're not...).  When we're in obvious passing downs, forget about it.  Some people say this team looks like 2015 again? I say it was more like 2012 and even 2013 when Garrett was still playcalling. Horribad. Turrible.

Sadly, fork-tongued Garrett will convince Jerry that they are a coordinator/few players away from getting to the big show.  Even if Garrett gets canned, Jerry won't bring in a head-strong HC like a Harbaugh..on no, it will be another butt-boy, "yes man" like Garrett.  One of these days, the team will be left to Stephen and I don't think he's as emotionally attached to coaches/players as Daddy was. That's the hope.

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9 hours ago, Malik said:

Which has nothing to do with what I wrote. There are plenty of terrible busts. Dak in his 1st 20 some odd games has shown himself to be a significantly better QB than Alex Smith did in his 50. There is zero reason there should be any conversation about replacing Dak when one of the loses was against the best team in the NFL.

Absolutely it does.  You’re comparing Alex to dak. The number one pick in the draft is going to get a longer leash and more chances than a fourth round draft pick. That’s how it’s always been. 

 

Not to to mention Alex was drafted to one of the worst teams in the last 20 years.

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i am a huge critic of dink n dunk dak and think he's a pretty solid quarterback with a limited ceiling that's succeeding mainly due to the pieces around him, and i am a firm believer that most of the cowboys' success 2016 was because of zeke and the line

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you take out zeke, you take out the line? course dak is going to do badly

and realistically if you give him spuds on his line and take away le'veon bell, big ben is going to do badly. give smith (who is a better quarterback than dak imo) a heap of spuds on the line and take away kareem hunt and he's going to suck

its unfair to hate on dak when his best weapons are oht

and even though i do think he's horrendously overrated in and of himself he's perfect for what the cowboys want - someone who can control the ball and be safe while zeke wears the opposing defense down, and then take advantage of that when called to

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5 hours ago, CP3MVP said:

Absolutely it does.  You’re comparing Alex to dak. The number one pick in the draft is going to get a longer leash and more chances than a fourth round draft pick. That’s how it’s always been. 

 

Not to to mention Alex was drafted to one of the worst teams in the last 20 years.

We have no idea what type of QB Dak is going to become. The idea that they should move on from him after 2 games is asinine. No one has any idea if his ceiling even is Alex Smith. The Ceiling being Alex Smith doesn't even make any sense considering he has been significantly better than Alex Smith was up until his Kansas City years.

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On 11/24/2017 at 8:03 AM, everlong said:

I'm not saying the new QB needs to breath down his neck day one, but a professional quarterback should not look as dependent on his RB as much Dak does. Ten straight quarters without a touchdown.

And what's "not compliment Zeke as well"? You hand him the ball. There's nothing to compliment.

He wasn't as dependent on just Zeke, he was dependent on Zeke AND the OL.  Zeke going out also happened to coincide with Tyron Smith going out and even though Smith played on Thanksgiving, it was clear he still wasn't close to 100% (and they lost Martin in the course of the game to boot)... and can we please stop acting like Philadelphia's defense isn't very good?

However to address what you've actually posted, if Dallas is "drafting a QB early" in the 2018 draft, they sure as hell would be expecting said QB to be breathing down Dak's neck day one.

Dak needs a veteran presence behind him (sorry, Kellen Moore doesn't count), someone that can actually help him out in the headset when things start to unravel and keep him on point.  But either way, 10 quarters or even 4 games is not nearly enough of a relevant sample size to write off a QB.  That kind of short-sighted thinking would have had the Rams investing an "early" pick on a QB this past draft because Goff "didn't look like a professional QB;" and I bring that up because there were people on this site that were actually suggesting they do just that.

People seriously need to just come the heck down.  Calm down with how quick you are to anoint these guys as made men and hype them as top--positional players. And, conversely, calm down on wanting to toss them out as flaming refuse after they have to deal with adversity for a period - give them a chance to actually reasonably deal with said adversity first and don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

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Before the rookie cap teams gave QBs yime to learn or show something maybe based purely off of pay and draft position. It seems now that teams are easy to give up on a guy after less than 2 years. To me less than 2 years is not enough to evaluate a guy. Dak showed what he can do with a decent team last year. You can't give up on him due to a bad stretch of games.

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18 hours ago, Malik said:

We have no idea what type of QB Dak is going to become. The idea that they should move on from him after 2 games is asinine. No one has any idea if his ceiling even is Alex Smith. The Ceiling being Alex Smith doesn't even make any sense considering he has been significantly better than Alex Smith was up until his Kansas City years.

Smith played for one of the worst teams in the NFL in his first few seasons, Dak plays for a team with a star RB and a great OL, so you would expect him to have far better stats early in his career. He is compared to Alex Smith, because Smith at best, is a solid game manager, but he cannot carry a team to a SB with his passing ability and that is exactly what Dak is.

Dak can produce a very similar career to Alex, carrying the Cowboys to the playoffs if the rest of the offense does not get too banged up, but he cannot carry a team lacking in a running attack, on his passing alone. When the Cowboys have their dominate running attack, teams are forced to use a defense that is designed to stop the run, leaving Dak rarely seeing double coverage and his play action is always going to be very effective at slowing down any type of pass rush. Defensively, teams cannot ever just tee off on rushing the passer like they can do against 95% of NFL offenses, they will always have to think run first with the Cowboys, making Dak look a lot better than he actually is.

Ditto for Alex Smith, who is really only effective when KC can run the ball and that is why Dak will always be compared to Smith.

It would take a miracle at this point, to find another QB to replace Dak, Dallas is rarely going to draft low enough to find a franchise QB available, when it is their pick, so any talk of replacing him any time soon, is just a pipe dream!!!

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21 hours ago, CWood21 said:

It seems like just yesterday we were having the Dak vs Wentz debate...

I never thought that for a minute. He is what he is, another Dalton or Alex Smith, quite capable on a solid offense, with multiple weapons around him, of carrying the Cowboys to the playoffs, but he will likely, never win a SB.

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