HuskieBear Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 6 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: The Bears would be foolish to give up a 2 and a 5 for Hopkins Hop is a top-5 WR in the league. He would instantly change our offense and make JF1 better. If he's available, other teams are gonna try to get him too. I would LOVE to get him for something like our 4th - and if he could be had for that, i'm happy to be wrong. but if you don't think that him as a player is worth a 2nd when that's the standard of a WR like claypool, then idk what to tell you. and it's a conditional 5th, so 1k yards bump it to a 4th maybe. playoffs and 1k yards up to a 3rd. idk again, i'd be happy to be wrong tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbear72 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: Hop is a top-5 WR in the league. He would instantly change our offense and make JF1 better. If he's available, other teams are gonna try to get him too. I would LOVE to get him for something like our 4th - and if he could be had for that, i'm happy to be wrong. but if you don't think that him as a player is worth a 2nd when that's the standard of a WR like claypool, then idk what to tell you. and it's a conditional 5th, so 1k yards bump it to a 4th maybe. playoffs and 1k yards up to a 3rd. idk again, i'd be happy to be wrong tho I with you on this. I think people really get caught up in the "lottery ticket" aspect of draft picks without considering the hit an miss rate on the them. DHop is a top 5 WR for sure. Will he play at a high level for the next 5 years? Probably not. But he is very consistent now. Second round picks bust all the time (we have seen this first hand and you can see it in all organizations). If we can get him cheaper that would be awesome. But deals like what CLE got for Cooper don't just happen all the time. They got lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 17 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: Hop is a top-5 WR in the league. He would instantly change our offense and make JF1 better. If he's available, other teams are gonna try to get him too. I would LOVE to get him for something like our 4th - and if he could be had for that, i'm happy to be wrong. but if you don't think that him as a player is worth a 2nd when that's the standard of a WR like claypool, then idk what to tell you. and it's a conditional 5th, so 1k yards bump it to a 4th maybe. playoffs and 1k yards up to a 3rd. idk again, i'd be happy to be wrong tho It isn't just how good he is. He is clearly better than Claypool. But Claypool is much younger and cheaper. How much are you going to give up for less viable years and a lot of money is question. Injury risk increases. You also have him on a type of NFL probation because he got caught for steriods. There is more risk so the compensation is less. Randy Moss went for a 4th. He is arguably best WR of all time after Jerry Rice. But he was older and people had questions about his motivation. It turned out to be a steal and almost got them another SB win and resulted in record scoring offense and nearly an undefeated record. But it doesn't always work out that way with older vet trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, HuskieBear said: Hop is a top-5 WR in the league. He would instantly change our offense and make JF1 better. If he's available, other teams are gonna try to get him too. I would LOVE to get him for something like our 4th - and if he could be had for that, i'm happy to be wrong. but if you don't think that him as a player is worth a 2nd when that's the standard of a WR like claypool, then idk what to tell you. and it's a conditional 5th, so 1k yards bump it to a 4th maybe. playoffs and 1k yards up to a 3rd. idk again, i'd be happy to be wrong tho I'm not going to force it the same way they did Claypool because another team wants him. Nobody is available via trade and only 1 team wants him; this won't be anything new. Hopkins is 30, coming off of back to back seasons with injury issues, and coming off of 1 season with a PED suspension. The most I'd trade for him would be a 3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, dll2000 said: Randy Moss went for a 4th. He is arguably best WR of all time after Jerry Rice. But he was older and people had questions about his motivation. and it was arguably one of the worst trades ever for the raiders. so that defeats your point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 41 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: I'm not going to force it the same way they did Claypool because another team wants him. Nobody is available via trade and only 1 team wants him; this won't be anything new. Hopkins is 30, coming off of back to back seasons with injury issues, and coming off of 1 season with a PED suspension. The most I'd trade for him would be a 3. so the most you would trade is a 3rd - our third the 63 overall pick. BUT you wouldn't trade our 2nd, currently the 55th pick, with a conditional 5th rounder next year, for a top 5-10 WR in the league?? a difference in 7 picks here's who we drafted in the 5th round in the last 5 years braxton jones, dominique robinson, larry borom, trevis gipson, kindle vildor, darnell mooney, bilal nichols, jordan morgan, jordan howard, adrian amos, jordan mills man, i would hate to give up the chance to get a guy with potential like larry borom or jordan morgan or trevis gipson or a premium position like adrian amos or jordan howard but it's conditional, it could go up! here some of our winning 4th rounders evan rodriguez, khaseem green, brock vereen, kadeem carey, jeremy langford, deandre hall, deon bush, nick kwitkowski, tarik cohen, eddie jackson, joel iggy, riley ridley and if it's for a pick higher than a 4th, then it means the conditions hit would give us a TRUE #1 WR for our young stud QB and possible playoffs. and thats not worth the dice roll that is the nfl draft?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 49 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: and it was arguably one of the worst trades ever for the raiders. so that defeats your point Another example: Cooper went for just a 5th (I was pissed we didn't get this deal). Hopkins himself only garnered a 2nd near his prime as a top 4 WR in league at time. Point is no one should be shocked if Hopkins is traded for a 4th or 5th factoring in all factors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 37 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Hopkins himself only garnered a 2nd near his prime as a top 4 WR in league at time. and this was lauded as a ridiculously one sided deal in favor of arizona 38 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Another example: Cooper went for just a 5th (I was pissed we didn't get this deal). were you pissed because cooper only went for a 5th and it was a ridiculously low compensation? also, cooper is a good wide receiver, but he's not on the same level as hop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 1 hour ago, HuskieBear said: so the most you would trade is a 3rd - our third the 63 overall pick. BUT you wouldn't trade our 2nd, currently the 55th pick, with a conditional 5th rounder next year, for a top 5-10 WR in the league?? a difference in 7 picks here's who we drafted in the 5th round in the last 5 years braxton jones, dominique robinson, larry borom, trevis gipson, kindle vildor, darnell mooney, bilal nichols, jordan morgan, jordan howard, adrian amos, jordan mills man, i would hate to give up the chance to get a guy with potential like larry borom or jordan morgan or trevis gipson or a premium position like adrian amos or jordan howard but it's conditional, it could go up! here some of our winning 4th rounders evan rodriguez, khaseem green, brock vereen, kadeem carey, jeremy langford, deandre hall, deon bush, nick kwitkowski, tarik cohen, eddie jackson, joel iggy, riley ridley and if it's for a pick higher than a 4th, then it means the conditions hit would give us a TRUE #1 WR for our young stud QB and possible playoffs. and thats not worth the dice roll that is the nfl draft?? I really don't care who Pace and Emery drafted. Stefon Diggs went for a 2 and a 5 and was a lot younger. Hopkins missed 7 games last year and a lot more this year due to a suspension. I'd trade that for Mike Evans though if TB goes into a rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted January 13 Author Share Posted January 13 16 minutes ago, HuskieBear said: and this was lauded as a ridiculously one sided deal in favor of arizona were you pissed because cooper only went for a 5th and it was a ridiculously low compensation? also, cooper is a good wide receiver, but he's not on the same level as hop I thought Bears needed a good Vet to add to WRs and Cooper is in his prime and available for trade. I wanted Bears to get Cooper and Chark (FA) in offseason to pair with Mooney. Poles decided to tank. He had a different plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosterTheSkins Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/11/2023 at 9:13 PM, CBears019 said: I have a hard time seeing Houston give 2 and 12 to move up one spot. Desperation can make teams do crazy things, but i just feel that’s too much. If the second overall pick comes into play Chicago's not getting any first round pick in the deal. At most The Bears would get additional mid and lower round spots, which wouldn't be worth it for our guys. No matter how desperate The Texans are they won't be that foolish. If Chi takes the 12th then, yeah, they could score multiple first rounders, but out of principle alone I think they would just take the second best QB available than give up all that, for moving up just one spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike90 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Sure because of Hartline...but if that's the case why has he now deleted it?... Rumors out there saying C.J Stroud could be getting offered $4 million to stay at Ohio State for another season... If that is the case the trade value of pick #1 would sky rocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTD Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Sure because of Hartline...but if that's the case why has he now deleted it?... Rumors out there saying C.J Stroud could be getting offered $4 million to stay at Ohio State for another season... If that is the case the trade value of pick #1 would sky rocket. I would agree. It is unusual for a prospect to take more than 2 weeks to declare for the draft. I would have to believe he is really thinking about returning to OSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagabears Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 8 hours ago, Madmike90 said: Sure because of Hartline...but if that's the case why has he now deleted it?... Rumors out there saying C.J Stroud could be getting offered $4 million to stay at Ohio State for another season... If that is the case the trade value of pick #1 would sky rocket. If he does go back the 2024 QB class will be loaded at the top: Maye Williams Stroud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, malagabears said: If he does go back the 2024 QB class will be loaded at the top: Maye Williams Stroud And that will leave MHJ there at 4 for the Bears to trade up for 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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